That's a jet trip with a stop, maybe two on the way back depending on your acq budget. Even a turboprop with the range would still get beat by the jet and everyone on board gets a bathroom break!

Just you and maybe Auburn Pearman... he says he has a Beech 18 but I'm not buying that.

Just you and maybe Auburn Pearman... he says he has a Beech 18 but I'm not buying that.

That doesn't work, really. A stop is more than time on ground, it is descend, approach, land, time on ground, takeoff, climb.

Compared to a plane that flies by at cruise speed and altitude, you have to add a penalty for the reduced travel distance during the lower altitude stuff.

I've personally never seen a quick turn that took only 15 minutes from wheels down to wheels up. Taxi in and shutdown, start up and taxi out are easily 8 minutes by themselves in the best of cases.

Mike C.

Here is a C510 doing a turn at KABQ on May 2:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N464 ... /KDFW/KABQ

Flightaware says it landed 22:07 UTC, departed 22:57 UTC. Granted, FA lost a minute or two on each end (radar doesn't go all the way to the ground), but still this was 50 minutes elapsed, not counting the descend/climb penalty. So realistically, probably at least 60 minutes penalty, maybe 70 minutes over a cruise on by airplane.

Mike C.

$2 fuel (was much less earlier).

5000 ft elevation means less down and up (though higher tire wear).

About the place you need a stop from the west coast.

They advertise as quick turn, even if that doesn't always happen.

Usually fairly nice weather.

Meanwhile, KBJC is awful, $6 fuel. Can't understand such a wide spread for two GA airports that close together, even accounting for no FBO competition at KBJC.

Mike C.

Coming from the guy with the CJ2+. Your plane doesn't have the compromises of smaller jets.

Granted, the Commanders are not the fastest to refuel as they have to transfer and even out all the fuel between the tanks from the single filling point. But even the Aerostar, that was faster to refuel, could only get down to about 45mins from landing to takeoff. I can't see how you could refuel a jet much faster than that, but perhaps if they have single point?

I do a quick turn in 20 to 30 minutes. Usually the plane is ready to go before I am.

If I radio to the FBO before landing or while taxing that I need a quick turn there is a Jet-A truck waiting with two fuelers. Both wings are fueled simultaneously in under 10 minutes. I can come out of the men's room and go to the desk to sign for the contract fuel.

Takes as much time to get strapped in, engines started, avionics powered up and initialized, get clearance, taxi, and takeoff. If you know the tricks of loading your outbound flight plan while in the air and getting your outbound clearance before you shutdown you can cut time off. Jets have no run up so once avionics are set then it is taxi directly to the runway, tell tower you will be ready to go at the end, and if no traffic you are rolling.

I'll second what Allen said, except since there are two pilots in ours, we have a GPU and a fuel truck, single point , while I load the data the other guy pays the bill. I know we have had under 30 in and out. Maybe 15 on the FBO ramp.

Jeff
Just finished recurrent FSI (MCO)

I do KGBD ($2 gas also) over Centennial nowadays if the headwinds are really bad. It's always a ghost town but the service is good and fast. Centennial is a bear in and out.

KGBD lav service is $10. Centennial it's $100. KGBD GPU is free. Centennial it's $50. They get you at Centennial if you're not careful. That cheap fuel is just to get you there.

Do these smaller Cessna jets have single point or do you have to fuel over the wing?

Best price I see at KGBD is $2.68 unless you are getting it through CAA which I don't have.

Only CJ4 has single point. Everything below is in the two wings.

No, I know you can get a CJ4 that has single point, but I don't think anything small does.