"Secret" what? I agree with Mike C. Sounds like an engine mafia program.

"Secret" what? I agree with Mike C. Sounds like an engine mafia program.

Corrosion or FOD damage may not be found until the engine is inspected during a normal inspection interval.

No engine inspection is required before you sign up for the new terms that include FOD or corrosion. If the day after you sign up you take them plane in for a scheduled inspection and they find corrosion then Williams is covering something that was not funded, unless you do the catch-up payments. And there are bad actors who would take advantage of that and wait until they see signs and then buy the coverage.

Any existing TAP contract customer could switch to TAP Blue for some period of time and not need to pay any catch-up. Just pay the new rate going forward.

Bogus. Or at least, ineffective.

You can open the engine up and see for yourself. I would expect any half competent turbojet engineer can get all he needs to know form that. Any dedicated competitor/enemy has already done this.

This is just a cover story for public consumption to justify the monopoly.

Mike C.

New crew started today. part 121 retired type grandfather flying with his 20 yr old grandson. Freshly graduated in two years from Embry riddle. No turbo jet time but grandpa signed him off. They will be a part time crew with a high profile client

On one hand I see it as a bit of a fairy tale. What grandfather wouldn't want to fly a jet for hire with his grandson?

On the other hand, I would be concerned about crew dynamic. How can the grandson ever express concern over grandpa's decisions.. Really feels like a crew coordination accident waiting to happen.

Overblowing it?
Match made in heaven?
What say you!

Obviously highly subjective and based on personalities and a whole bunch of other issues. I think it's a much better scenario then father son.

Andrew

Overblowing it for sure. I am guessing that they may be thinking they got there just in time, that it is a miracle that this pt 91 crew with no 121 training or experience has not crashed yet.

My guess is that the band will prefer your crew to the new one.

I know a father/son crew that operates a Citation for guy all over the world. In all these cases, I think a regular crew is preferable to a unknown walk in sic that may or may not be a good fit.

In this case since the SIC has no experience as SIC, the level of safety depends more on how grandpa teaches grandson to be a good SIC than who the particular SIC is.

But I'd love to have got the chance to be a SIC for my granddad.

The way I see it the biggest hurdle may be that grandpa's dinner time will be the bands breadfast time, so the kid will be just right to keep the lines open.

The reality is that it's a young man's game. Half the flights are on the "back side of the clock." Doesn't take long before the older guys say "f*** that". I do think it is really cool to have the Grandson / Grandad experience. Don't really have a dog in the fight. Just wondering about the impact on safety of a family crew.

Interestingly on their first trip together they didn't check the notams at KVNY. Went to pick up the clearance at 10:45pm only to discover that the airport was closing about the time the operator was arriving (11pm) They had to haul ass out of there and go to another airport (KBUR) and redirect the operator to that airport. Ultimately that rests with The PIC but given that the SIC is fresh out of aviation college I would of thought he would have been all over the notams. Freshly minted guys usually do everything by the book. Live and learn I suppose.

The reality is that it's a young man's game. Half the flights are on the "back side of the clock." Doesn't take long before the older guys say "f*** that". I do think it is really cool to have the Grandson / Grandad experience. Don't really have a dog in the fight. Just wondering about the impact on safety of a family crew.

Interestingly on their first trip together they didn't check the notams at KVNY. Went to pick up the clearance at 10:45pm only to discover that the airport was closing about the time the operator was arriving (11pm) They had to haul ass out of there and go to another airport (KBUR) and redirect the operator to that airport. Ultimately that rests with The PIC but given that the SIC is fresh out of aviation college I would of thought he would have been all over the notams. Freshly minted guys usually do everything by the book. Live and learn I suppose.

Newbie problem

Grandpa came from 121 world where dispatch does it all for him. Welcome to the DIY 135 world.

Grandson is probably deferring to grandpas lead and not doing is own independent checking. He will learn that Grandpas 121 experience did not teach him everything for the 135 gig.

I would loved to have observed how they scrambled and if they worked as a team once they learned they had to reposition. How they looked when they were told probably by the FBO that they were closing in a few minutes.

A friend of mine recently retired from a 121 career and is excited to get back into GA. He said 121 was fine but the most amazing thing about being retired is being able to sleep at night instead of fly at night.

Reading notam's is a good habit to have. How to decipher them at times to require some kind of black magic.

Larry:

When I say it is a young man's game I am specifically referring to the fact that half the flights are on the back side of the clock. It was just a assumption that younger might be better suited to stay up all night vs a guy in his 60's or 70's. Hence having a young man or woman aboard during these hours could be an advantage.

It is true that it comes down to the quality of the captain. The nuance is that a grandson (any grandson not specific to this one) is subordinate in 3 ways...Captain/FO, elder/ youngster and blood relationship.

At least your SO has the standing and life experience to confront you if you make a mistake. See my reply below.

Newbie problem

Grandpa came from 121 world where dispatch does it all for him. Welcome to the DIY 135 world.

Grandson is probably deferring to grandpas lead and not doing is own independent checking. He will learn that Grandpas 121 experience did not teach him everything for the 135 gig.

I would loved to have observed how they scrambled and if they worked as a team once they learned they had to reposition. How they looked when they were told probably by the FBO that they were closing in a few minutes.