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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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And then there's ramp appeal; where do you park, next to the single pistons or by the Gulfstreams? People who buy are going to have to consider this. :scratch:

No line guy has ever asked me what plane I'd like to be parked next too. WTF?


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Of course it does. Notice how they did not choose to buy the slowest, worst performing airplane in class.

They were willing to pay to get the better performing airplane in class.

I think they will do the same when they shop for a upgrade from the Sr22.


So an SR22 owner should jump straight to a G650?

Your posts are such nonsense I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you being serious?


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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We have a few jet pilots on BT, is anyone here seriously considering one of these?

If you already own a jet you're beyond the SF50 stage. So the answer will be NO.

Why not pose the question to guys that own expensive piston planes?


Why not, maybe the current jet is overkill and they would have bought the single and saved a mil or two had it been available. If it's not enough for any jet owner one wonders how it will be enough at all.
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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Of course it does. Notice how they did not choose to buy the slowest, worst performing airplane in class.

They were willing to pay to get the better performing airplane in class.

I think they will do the same when they shop for a upgrade from the Sr22.


So an SR22 owner should jump straight to a G650?

Your posts are such nonsense I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you being serious?


Does not being certified disqualify candidates?

Why did the newbie pilot buy the SR22 and not a C172?

Because he did not want something cheaper and slower.

He was willing to pay more to get more.

Same will happen when he upgrades.

He will choose to spend more to get more!

If he looks deeper he will find the used market is a great option and potentially cheaper.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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The Epic. Its in a similar place development wise.

Its faster, bigger, goes farther and has less required training.

2M for the cirrus is a guess at best. IMHO it will be closer to 3M.


IF both airplanes were certified, and both airplanes were $2M, I'd agree. However, they aren't.

Assuming the SF50 gets certified eventually, there's simply nothing else NEW that competes with it at that price point. Nothing.

There is a gap in the market in this space, and only time will tell if the gap is big enough or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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If he looks deeper he will find the used market is a great option and potentially cheaper.


By your logic, Cirrus would never have sold a SR22. A 10 year old Bonanza is faster, has more space, etc, etc.

The people who actually buy new airplanes (not the group here, including me) have spoken and said they are willing to pony up $700-900k for a new SR22 instead of a 10 year old A36 for 1/2 the price.

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If he looks deeper he will find the used market is a great option and potentially cheaper.


By your logic, Cirrus would never have sold a SR22. A 10 year old Bonanza is faster, has more space, etc, etc.

The people who actually buy new airplanes (not the group here, including me) have spoken and said they are willing to pony up $700-900k for a new SR22 instead of a 10 year old A36 for 1/2 the price.

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Yes and when they upgrade they will pony up and buy something better than the SF50.

There is a learning curve to buying airplanes. Its is a different than buying equipment for your business.

Very few pieces of equipment are as well maintained as aircraft.

The more our newbie pilot learns the more obvious this becomes

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Does not being certified disqualify candidates?

Why did the newbie pilot buy the SR22 and not a C172?

Because he did not want something cheaper and slower.

He was willing to pay more to get more.

Same will happen when he upgrades.

He will choose to spend more to get more!

If he looks deeper he will find the used market is a great option and potentially cheaper.

Not being certified absolutely disqualifies. How many Epics you see out there?

An SR22 and a 172 aren't far apart in price. An SF50 is $1.9MM. A G650 is $50MM. Apples and Oranges

Then why does anyone buy new airplanes? All the manufacturers would go broke.


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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50
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Does not being certified disqualify candidates?

Why did the newbie pilot buy the SR22 and not a C172?

Because he did not want something cheaper and slower.

He was willing to pay more to get more.

Same will happen when he upgrades.

He will choose to spend more to get more!

If he looks deeper he will find the used market is a great option and potentially cheaper.

Not being certified absolutely disqualifies. How many Epics you see out there?

An SR22 and a 172 aren't far apart in price. An SF50 is $1.9MM. A G650 is $50MM. Apples and Oranges

Then why does anyone buy new airplanes? All the manufacturers would go broke.


Lets talk nonsense?

Who said a G650?

So why are we talking about a uncertified airplane, the SF50 if its disqualified from discusion?

How many SF50 have you seen that are certified?

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Who said a G650?

So why are we talking about a uncertified airplane, the SF50 if its disqualified from discusion?

How many SF50 have you seen that are certified?

You said "a jet buyer would want to buy the best jet available just like a piston buyer would want the best piston available". Why buy an SR22 when you can buy a 172? Remember? What jet were you meaning?

SF50 won't ever be released as Experimental. Epic is.

I feel like I'm talking to someone who doesn't really fly. The things I'm having to explain to you are such basic concepts which is why I question if you're being serious.


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Who said a G650?

So why are we talking about a uncertified airplane, the SF50 if its disqualified from discusion?

How many SF50 have you seen that are certified?

You said "a jet buyer would want to buy the best jet available just like a piston buyer would want the best piston available". Why buy an SR22 when you can buy a 172? Remember? What jet were you meaning?

SF50 won't ever be released as Experimental. Epic is.

I feel like I'm talking to someone who doesn't really fly. The things I'm having to explain to you are such basic concepts which is why I question if you're being serious.


Wrong on my message.

The argument has been the guy who spend 900k on a SR22 will not blink at spending 2+M on a SF50.

I am raising the BS flag on that assumption.

That same guy spent twice as much to buy his SR22 as opposed to purchasing the slowest thing available the C172.

He wont blink when he upgrades to get something better by spending more. Just like he did when he bought the SR22 instead of the C172.

He wont choose the worst perfoming jet on the market.

What difference does it make if the Epic was first released as a experimental? At least we have some real performance number at look at

What concepts are you explaining i cant understand?

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Steve,

YOU would not choose an SF50. It doesn't make sense to YOU. (I'm not buying one either.)

But hundreds of buyers HAVE put their money down on one. It DOES make sense to them.

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Just to add to the single vs. twin debate of this aircraft.
The F-16 has been flying since 1976 in production. It is very rare that the single engine design has failed the pilot. The fact that the SF50 is a single turbine would not bother me one bit. :peace:

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