BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 15:00

Username Protected wrote:

Allen, do you fly single pilot always or two crew on occasion?

SP just about always. My wife has some training so it is more like 1.5 crew.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 15:06

Username Protected wrote:

You fly the numbers and don't count on your skill to save the day if an engine quits.

I said to Craig while turning base to final at 105 kts that if an engine quits we just bump the throttles up and keep going and land. No big deal.

I showed Craig the rudder bias system during the ground checks. When Craig was flying along at 16,500 at 260 kts I pulled one engine to idle ..... and nothing else happens. Just a slow airspeed decline.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 15:14

Username Protected wrote:

You fly the numbers and don't count on your skill to save the day if an engine quits.

I said to Craig while turning base to final at 105 kts that if an engine quits we just bump the throttles up and keep going and land. No big deal.

I showed Craig the rudder bias system during the ground checks. When Craig was flying along at 16,500 at 260 kts I pulled one engine to idle ..... and nothing else happens. Just a slow airspeed decline.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 15:30

Craig

Have you ran a flight plan comparing MU2 vs CJ on a 3 hour flight? Interested to see time and fuel burn.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 15:42

Username Protected wrote:

Craig

Have you ran a flight plan comparing MU2 vs CJ on a 3 hour flight? Interested to see time and fuel burn.

Like Allen said in an earlier thread..... With JetA so cheap right now I'll bet it's cheaper in the CJ.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 16:01

Username Protected wrote:

Have you ran a flight plan comparing MU2 vs CJ on a 3 hour flight? Interested to see time and fuel burn.

Like Allen said in an earlier thread..... With JetA so cheap right now I'll bet it's cheaper in the CJ.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 16:09

Username Protected wrote:

Craig

Have you ran a flight plan comparing MU2 vs CJ on a 3 hour flight? Interested to see time and fuel burn.

From the Cessna CJ2+ Flight Planning Guide:

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 16:50

Username Protected wrote:

They both burn Jet-A. If it wasn't cheaper before, why would it be cheaper now?

Because one is a lot faster than the other.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 16:59

Username Protected wrote:

They both burn Jet-A. If it wasn't cheaper before, why would it be cheaper now?

Because one is a lot faster than the other.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 17:10

Username Protected wrote:

They both burn Jet-A. If it wasn't cheaper before, why would it be cheaper now?

I'm guessing the delta between fixed costs and operating costs. At the extreme of zero fuel costs, the fixed costs of the jet probably aren't 50% higher, so going 50% faster, you save money.

Doubt the citation is cheaper, but it could certainly push the costs into "I don't really notice the difference" and/or "the extra $50/hr is worth it!" territory

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 17:15

Quote:

CJ2+ will do 3.35 NM/Gal for a 1200 nm trip at ISA no wind.

That is less fuel $ than a Duke and non-stop. Amazing.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 18:11

Username Protected wrote:

They both burn Jet-A. If it wasn't cheaper before, why would it be cheaper now?

Because one is a lot faster than the other.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 18:24

Username Protected wrote:

Is the time and fuel difference worth it??

Discuss!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 18:29

Username Protected wrote:

Long Range Cruise Citation CJ2, CE-525A
KTAS 352
Fuel Flow 596
Altitude FL 450
Specific Range 0.591
High Speed Cruise Citation CJ2, CE-525A
KTAS 407
Fuel Flow 1,070
Altitude FL 350
Specific Range 0.380

First of all we are discussing a CJ2+ not a CJ2.

My CJ2+ does 405kt @ FL450 on 700 pph.

I posted the Cessna data for range, time, and fuel burn. You got the data to flog this.

Here is more data:

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jan 2016, 19:26

Username Protected wrote:

Thanks Jim-- I don't follow the logic either.. :scratch:

The Cj can't be that much faster than an MU2...

HA!

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