Of course the chute and SE jet engine is the entire point of the plane.

How many of these planes were put back in service?

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Of course the chute and SE jet engine is the entire point of the plane.

Mike - last time I looked, there were 14. Some others in progress.

I think the least of their concerns with this project is reusability of the airframe, and should be from the buyers perspective as well. At that weight it makes a lot of sense to float it down in a vertical position for absorption of the Gs to pax backs. Just like a spaceship. Everyone living is the endgame, to hell with the aircraft as it should be.

I don't know but I doubt they'd be this far along and have something as basic as that not already covered.

Hey, we have a bet on the line here.

I can't see them reusing a composite pressure vessel after it has taken a hard hit. Too much liability of future failure.

I can't see them reusing a composite pressure vessel after it has taken a hard hit. Too much liability of future failure.

Heck if I know. I drill holes in the ground!
But I would assume that it would spidercrack (That's a highly scientific oilfield term...), much like fiberglass does.

That's interesting to me Adam as I think one of the preeminent features, from a sales point of view, of the SR series is the chute. There are many terrific design features of the plane but the chute is a huge marketing driver and sells a tremendous number of planes all by itself. In the jet I think the chute plays a similar role.

I think in terms of light jets that twin engines offers a better margin of safety than a SE jet with a chute but I'm not sure that passengers feel that way. My wife thinks "jet" is cool (not a clown plane in Jason's vernacular) but ANY plane without a chute is problematic for her as she is so sold on the concept. A think a lot of people who fly in (non pilots) Cirrus planes think the chute just about guarantees their safety (which I agree it does not). A JET with a chute is the ultimate for folks like that. So, many of their husbands, wives or employers will buy the SF50.

I don't think the other big argument in favor of an SE jet, OPEX, is the driver. In fact, I think Mike may end up having a point here. When you look at the costs in BC&A and Conklin and Dedecker estimates the difference in the SF50 projected costs and those of, say, a Mustang aren't a lot different and the SE turbo prop like TBM are better. But they don't have a chute…

The chute is a gigantic marketing tool.

Marketing tool - yes; Safety tool - TBD

The profile of turbojet accidents is very different then single engine pistons. The #1 type of accident in turbojets is runway overruns. The chute doesn't help in the approach and landing accidents turbojet pilots have.

The type rating and annual 61.58 training will weed out many of the inexperienced pilot loss of control accidents. And the turbine engine should be much more reliable then a piston engine is.

I think a chute in a turbojet may be fighting the last war. We don't know what the accident profile of a SE VLJ will be. But if it follows the ME VLJs the chute will not have any where near the saves the Cirrus has.

Perhaps we should think of it as fighting the only war that matters - selling enough aircraft to stay in business. Whether it actually saves anyone is probably fairly irrelevant.

Marketing tool - yes; Safety tool - TBD

The profile of turbojet accidents is very different then single engine pistons. The #1 type of accident in turbojets is runway overruns. The chute doesn't help in the approach and landing accidents turbojet pilots have.

The type rating and annual 61.58 training will weed out many of the inexperienced pilot loss of control accidents. And the turbine engine should be much more reliable then a piston engine is.

I think a chute in a turbojet may be fighting the last war. We don't know what the accident profile of a SE VLJ will be. But if it follows the ME VLJs the chute will not have any where near the saves the Cirrus has.

Perhaps we should think of it as fighting the only war that matters - selling enough aircraft to stay in business. Whether it actually saves anyone is probably fairly irrelevant.