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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please  Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 19:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well I apologize for any rambling, only tying to learn from everyone's real world experience. For the next few years I am going to stay in my A36. After that I will either move to a Malibu or maybe a p baron. I think the 300/400 series cessnas will require more time and money on maintenance then I am comfortable with. Thanks for the thread, I've learned as much as you. I really think a NA Baron would give you a significant increase in capability with a relatively small operating cost bump. Our kids are similar in age and a Baron would work for us. Nose baggage, ice protection, and power are big advantages over the A36. Take a ride in a Baron, I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who would be glad to make that happen. You'll be amazed at the difference.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 19:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well I apologize for any rambling, only tying to learn from everyone's real world experience. For the next few years I am going to stay in my A36. After that I will either move to a Malibu or maybe a p baron. I think the 300/400 series cessnas will require more time and money on maintenance then I am comfortable with. Thanks for the thread, I've learned as much as you. I really think a NA Baron would give you a significant increase in capability with a relatively small operating cost bump. Our kids are similar in age and a Baron would work for us. Nose baggage, ice protection, and power are big advantages over the A36. Take a ride in a Baron, I'm sure there are plenty of guys here who would be glad to make that happen. You'll be amazed at the difference.
I second this. Our 4 kids are similar ages also and a Baron worked well. An A36 would have been inadequate in our case.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 19:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: The A36 cowl opens up with a simple latch and gives you excellent access to everything top-side for pre-flight and most maintenance actions. I think it would be possible to tie it for ease of access, but basically impossible to beat (unless you literally didn't have a cowl at all). Only downside is that they sometimes open up in flight! There I was, on a dark and stormy night... Well, OK, it wasn't stormy, but when the cowling opened it scared the crap (possibly literally - I didn't actually check) out of a nervous passenger who was flying with me. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 20:50 |
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I agree the na baron is a meaningful step up in utility, but I keep thinking how nice pressurization would be with kids. And 200+ kts of a Malibu would shave some nice time off those 700mile Florida trips.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 21:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I agree the na baron is a meaningful step up in utility, but I keep thinking how nice pressurization would be with kids. And 200+ kts of a Malibu would shave some nice time off those 700mile Florida trips. Pressurization yes... The Malibu will be climbing at a low rate and low speed for quite awhile (to reach an altitude where 200kts will happen) after the Baron is getting down the road at 185kts. In 700NM you may beat the Baron by 7 minutes no wind. On any westbound legs the Baron will likely win due to headwinds aloft (headwind components more common than tail).
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 22:17 |
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And their hourly costs are in the same ballpark?
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 22:38 |
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Lol. I truly do appreciate everyone's input. Great incormational resource for everyone. I'm going to fly the pants off of my A36, finish my commercial and log some significant instrument time. Then when I do transition to something more complex, like a twin, I'll be ready and will have gotten my money's worth out of the A36
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 23:07 |
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 23:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nice try Guy, but you're not off the hook until you announce it. Even if it's a year or two down the road you have to tell us what type you'll be getting  (My vote 58p) At this point, I think most people would say "F it, we're getting a boat"
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 09:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: The A36 cowl opens up with a simple latch and gives you excellent access to everything top-side for pre-flight and most maintenance actions. I think it would be possible to tie it for ease of access, but basically impossible to beat (unless you literally didn't have a cowl at all). Only downside is that they sometimes open up in flight! There I was, on a dark and stormy night... Well, OK, it wasn't stormy, but when the cowling opened it scared the crap (possibly literally - I didn't actually check) out of a nervous passenger who was flying with me. Robert
Just happened to me a few months ago while descending into Houston. Made a big impression on my two angel flight passengers.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 10:29 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Only downside is that they sometimes open up in flight!
There I was, on a dark and stormy night... Well, OK, it wasn't stormy, but when the cowling opened it scared the crap (possibly literally - I didn't actually check) out of a nervous passenger who was flying with me.
Robert
Just happened to me a few months ago while descending into Houston. Made a big impression on my two angel flight passengers.
Hmm. My older 36 has the 4 cam lock screws, not the single lever latch. As far as I'm concerned, there is zero chance of my nose cowl opening in flight, assuming I latch it correctly. In 800 hrs I have never landed with my cowl door starting to open. 
Those of you that have experienced a cowl door opening in flight, was it because of a latch failure or misadjusted latch that didn't completely latch in a way that wasn't obvious at the time?
Or was it, uh, "user error"?
I don't own a Bo with the single lever latch, but I have enough time in them to suspect that if a cowl door opens in flight, it was because it was improperly latched in the first place. If so, hey worse things happen. Just wouldn't want to give buyers looking at Bonanza's the impression that this is a real problem.
However, if the design of the single lever latch is prone to failing or going out of adjustment in such a way that it appears like it's latched when it really isn't, that's definitely worth noting.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 07 Dec 2015, 11:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Those of you that have experienced a cowl door opening in flight, was it because of a latch failure or misadjusted latch that didn't completely latch in a way that wasn't obvious at the time? Misadjusted latch. Cowl was closed, latched, and tested before flight. Left side popped open on descent. Robert
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