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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 15:35 |
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Quote: I really love the high dispatch and reliability of the A36 and fear a legacy complex piston twin will be a royal pain in the you know what to keep it well maintained. Am I incorrect in thinking the turboprops will be better in that regard? Yes you are. My rough estimates for the 421 were ~$650-700/hr. and the MU-2 ~$1100/hr. But, I am also going nearly 100 kts. faster and Jet-A is less than 100LL. In reality, it is not that far apart. My wife tells me the MU-2 is less to operate than the 421 was and she pays the bills. I think it has more to do with the lack of mx bills nearly every month. It just runs with very few problems.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 15:47 |
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Joined: 01/18/11 Posts: 7664 Post Likes: +3696 Location: Lakeland , Ga
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I went from twin bonanza to King air to Duke. Twin boys was the most reliable and economical plane I ever owned. King Air was great, but calendar items eat your lunch if you do not fly a lot. Four years of Duke ownership has cost me about six thousand a year in maintenance and annuals. My continued penchant for upgrades has been expensive and primary cause of AOG. I have never been down for maintenance reasons, but I only fly about 50 hrs or so a year, 100 this year though. You might consider Lazarus at 125,000 you should have a lot of cash left over from an A-36 sale. I don't think any of the other mentioned options can say that.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 16:02 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 421 Post Likes: +260 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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I am not sure if they are in your price range yet-but a small 208 Caravan is an outstanding family airplane for the owner pilot. I have been flying a 208B Grand Caravan with 10 seats for almost 15 years as a family airplane. We have a potty and unlimited (almost) baggage in the pod. The airplane is very ifr capable and very forgiving. I would much rather have one PT6 than two pistons. I figure 155 knots for 208B, my friend with straight 208 and no pod gets 165 knots or better.
If you go without the pod, there is an extended baggage STC that gives you enough space for 7 passengers with a potty and all of their bags.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 16:07 |
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Joined: 05/11/10 Posts: 13010 Post Likes: +12612 Location: Indiana
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In fixing your Bonanza shortcomings, the only thing a Baron gets you is nose baggage. Barons are wonderful, etc., but for my money (which, of course, it isn't  ), the added utility wouldn't be worth the cost of upgrading. I'd take a bigger step or none at all.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 16:13 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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I have 4 kids that are about ten years older than yours.
We owned a 421 for 5 years and loved it, but I should have gone straight to a TP.
The cost is not that different and the performance is much better.
In icing power is your best defense.
My commander climbs twice as fast as my 421 and can climb as good on one engine as my 421 did on two engines at climb power.
I would skip the piston twin.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 17:15 |
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Joined: 01/09/13 Posts: 1249 Post Likes: +246 Location: Frederick , MD (KHGR)
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I'd say your good for 2-3 years with the A36.. Cheap, 6 pax, and effective.. With the young kids your prob pushing the flight of being in the air more than 3 hours..
When your ready to upgrade then the 421C is the machine...
_________________ Good Luck,
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 17:21 |
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Joined: 08/20/09 Posts: 2495 Post Likes: +2029 Company: Jcrane, Inc. Location: KVES Greenville, OH
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Username Protected wrote: We owned a 421 for 5 years and loved it, but I should have gone straight to a TP. Knowing what you know now, would you have gone straight to the 980, or something else in between?
_________________ Jack N441M N107XX Bubbles Up
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 17:57 |
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Joined: 08/30/13 Posts: 416 Post Likes: +71 Company: Cruce Aircraft Services Location: KPGD
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Merlin IIIB-C with -10 motors, you have have 3 more kids and still be comfortable. No calendar items like the other turboprops. Carry a two bedroom apartment in the luggage area, burns less $ per hour than a 421 at 65 kts faster. Buy midtime garretts and you'll never have to overhaul them in your life. Toilet is enclosed with wood doors.
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Post subject: Re: Larger plane for a growing family- Advice please Posted: 02 Dec 2015, 18:19 |
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Joined: 11/09/13 Posts: 1910 Post Likes: +927 Location: KCMA
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Username Protected wrote: We owned a 421 for 5 years and loved it, but I should have gone straight to a TP. Knowing what you know now, would you have gone straight to the 980, or something else in between?
I would have gone to a commander 690 with -5s while dreaming of a 690 -10.
Back then I was not sure if family would like traveling by GA. So I wanted to keep initial outlay low.
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