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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 08 Nov 2015, 22:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Michael, I'm a bit confused by your affection towards an aircraft so prone towards trying to kill you. Lots of us have had similar relationships with women. Kind of hard to explain isn't it.  There's lots of beautiful things trying to kill us. They just haven't figured out how. Yet. In the meantime, we can enjoy them.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 08 Nov 2015, 23:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: My understanding is that two out of three of nation of registry, nation of pilot's cert, and nation you're flying in have to match.
So, you'd need to get a Liberian pilot's cert and keep that up as well, assuming they are part of ICAO and the FAA recognizes and reciprocates. If they start letting you get away with doing things unsafe in the FAA's eyes, I imagine that loophole would close. I am sure Liberian pilot's license can be had much cheaper than new windows for Eclipse.  Here is the question - does FAA have the authority to inspect and pass judgement on airworthiness of a foreign-registered aircraft operating in US airspace? If not, there is a bit of a conundrum: FAA can't ground the plane since it's foreign registry, and foreign authority can't inspect the plane since it's not there. 
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 09:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: The eclipse would presumably make a GREAT experimental exhibition airplane for airshow work. Gut the thing and put in avionics for Day VFR only. A 2-3 ship Eclipse airshow act would get attention. Exp-Exh is pretty liberal - much more so than Exp-AB Too quiet. You'd be better off getting four old Lears... Robert
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 10:07 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12805 Post Likes: +5255 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: The eclipse would presumably make a GREAT experimental exhibition airplane for airshow work. Gut the thing and put in avionics for Day VFR only. A 2-3 ship Eclipse airshow act would get attention. Exp-Exh is pretty liberal - much more so than Exp-AB Too quiet. You'd be better off getting four old Lears... Robert
Use Stuka dive sirens. Or fit afterburners
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 21:38 |
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Thanks for sharing your experience with the Eclipse, as reading a flight test about one during pre-production, it sounded like a very nice flying airplane and economical.
Too bad all of the software glitches, but I will say I often wondered why a pilot wasn't brought into the mix during the "ideas" phase. Although the founder was a Microsoft exec at one time, and a techie with a lot of software capabilities knowledge, I never did like the idea of a full keyboard and mouse tracking system while trying to fly an airplane.
I think once word gets out regarding these problems among owners, it seriously affects the sale of the product, which I would have thought the engineers would have figured out earlier in the certification and building of the systems. Very surprising that it managed to be certified, since flight testing is hundreds of hours...and the windshields????, forget it, that should have never left the factory with that type of a known problem.
Guess that is why I like a Beechcraft...built and refined over time.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 22:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: The original Eclipse had windshields requiring replacement every 100 hours, nuts! I don't think they were designed to be replaced every 100. They were found to be inadequate, and replacement (once) was required before the airframe reached 100 hours.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 22:23 |
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Joined: 10/05/11 Posts: 10042 Post Likes: +7094 Company: Hausch LLC, rep. Power/mation Location: Milwaukee, WI (KMKE)
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Username Protected wrote: Here is the question - does FAA have the authority to inspect and pass judgement on airworthiness of a foreign-registered aircraft operating in US airspace? If not, there is a bit of a conundrum: FAA can't ground the plane since it's foreign registry, and foreign authority can't inspect the plane since it's not there.  I think the short answer is "yes". The US can and does decide what foreign aircraft can fly in US airspace. I think this is what applies (lifted from the import/export area of AOPA. I know we are not talking about Im/Ex, but this is likely what applies when granting airworthiness to foreign airplanes in US airspace...): Quote: The FAA has determined that its airworthiness certification standards are equivalent to those of 29 other countries. In order to expedite the import/export process, an international agreement, called the Bilateral Airworthiness Agreement (BAA), has been established. Aircraft inspected and issued airworthiness certificates by the BAA countries are also considered to comply with U.S. standards and vice versa (this does not mean that an airworthiness certificate from a BAA country can substitute for a U.S. airworthiness certificate). This reciprocity means that establishing airworthiness when importing and exporting production aircraft is streamlined considerably. This does not apply to non-production-type civil aircraft such as homebuilt (experimental) or ex-military aircraft, which qualify for a special airworthiness certificate.
The following countries have Bilateral Airworthiness Agreements with the United States: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Romania, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.
The best way to determine if a type-certificated aircraft based and registered in a BAA country is still in airworthy condition is to obtain an Export Certificate of Airworthiness (ECA). Sometimes referred to as an "Export C of A," an ECA is issued by the foreign country's civil aviation authority (CAA) and certifies that the aircraft meets the airworthiness standards prescribed for certification in that country. So... from that list, which country's officials is most open to bribery to get that Eclipse "legal"?
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 09 Nov 2015, 23:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think this is what applies (lifted from the import/export area of AOPA. I know we are not talking about Im/Ex, but this is likely what applies when granting airworthiness to foreign airplanes in US airspace...): Quote: The FAA has determined that its airworthiness certification standards are equivalent to those of 29 other countries. In order to expedite the import/export process, an international agreement, called the Bilateral Airworthiness Agreement (BAA), has been established. Aircraft inspected and issued airworthiness certificates by the BAA countries are also considered to comply with U.S. standards and vice versa (this does not mean that an airworthiness certificate from a BAA country can substitute for a U.S. airworthiness certificate). This reciprocity means that establishing airworthiness when importing and exporting production aircraft is streamlined considerably. This does not apply to non-production-type civil aircraft such as homebuilt (experimental) or ex-military aircraft, which qualify for a special airworthiness certificate.
The following countries have Bilateral Airworthiness Agreements with the United States: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Romania, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.
The best way to determine if a type-certificated aircraft based and registered in a BAA country is still in airworthy condition is to obtain an Export Certificate of Airworthiness (ECA). Sometimes referred to as an "Export C of A," an ECA is issued by the foreign country's civil aviation authority (CAA) and certifies that the aircraft meets the airworthiness standards prescribed for certification in that country. I don't think this is what's relevant here. This passage talks about importing/exporting, so an aircraft certified in Canada (for example) does not need to be certified again in US. The question is, can FAA conduct a ramp check and examine logbooks of Canadian-registered aircraft while it's in US?
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 00:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think this is what's relevant here. This passage talks about importing/exporting, so an aircraft certified in Canada (for example) does not need to be certified again in US. The question is, can FAA conduct a ramp check and examine logbooks of Canadian-registered aircraft while it's in US? Perhaps, but I suspect the BAA deals with more than just Ex/Im. I would guess it non BAA countries can't fly in the U.S. at all. No facts, just my suspicion.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 00:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would guess it non BAA countries can't fly in the U.S. at all. No facts, just my suspicion. That's definitely not true. Mexico isn't on the list.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 16:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would guess it non BAA countries can't fly in the U.S. at all. No facts, just my suspicion. That's definitely not true. Mexico isn't on the list.
Interesting... so could you get the Eclipse certified in Mexico and keep flying in the US?
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 19:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Interesting... so could you get the Eclipse certified in Mexico and keep flying in the US? In seeing posts from owners here on BeechTalk, it sounds like many countries have more stringent requirements than the US, including countries you might expect to be pretty lax.
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Post subject: Re: Parting out my 400 hour Eclipse Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 00:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: In seeing posts from owners here on BeechTalk, it sounds like many countries have more stringent requirements than the US, including countries you might expect to be pretty lax. Right, but the aircraft isn't there for them to verify that it meets the requirements. 
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