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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 09:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Take your wife for a ride in all three and let her decide. I'll bet $5 I know which one she will pick. Musick's 2nd Law: The best airplane for you, is the one your wife likes. When my wife learned that the Twin Beech she was riding in had a potty, she asked, "Why don't we have one of these???" Beware the The Atkinson, he is an expensive friend! <G>
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 14:09 |
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I agree the Diamond is the worst choice for all the reasons you mentioned, and it isn't a great trip plane. It would be a harder choice if they cost the same as a Baron, but at $800k it isn't close.
Cirrus vs. Baron is more of a personal thing. That you had a Mooney, another pilot's plane, suggests to me you'd probably prefer the Baron. I'd fly them both and decide from there.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 22 Aug 2015, 19:05 |
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I had a long discussion with my wife last night. I presented the 4 scenarios. When I talked about the Baron being less to purchase she responded that it can't be as "safe" as the others because it didn't cost as much. Her position was that there must be a reason the market devalued the Baron, and wouldn't accept the fuel price/older technology/equivalent utility to a newer plane explanation.  I think she wants the Cirrus. There's a Cirrus flight school at the FBO where my plane is parked. I think I'll talk to them tomorrow about training.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 10:17 |
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You might try using a car analogy. You could buy an older high end car like a Mercedes, Lexus, etc. or a new motorcycle. Either would cost about the same. The older high end vehicle would definitely be safer than the motorcycle even though it costs less. Same goes for airplanes.
However, twins are only safer if you stay proficient in them. Twice as likely to have an engine failure but much much lower odds of losing all power. Low speed engine failure can be a disaster. Not sure about the Baron, but I have read that with the addition of vortex generators, the C340A has a Vmc below stall speed. Still would require quick application of rudder though.
Wish my wife wanted a bigger plane!
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 10:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a long discussion with my wife last night. I presented the 4 scenarios. When I talked about the Baron being less to purchase she responded that it can't be as "safe" as the others because it didn't cost as much. Her position was that there must be a reason the market devalued the Baron, and wouldn't accept the fuel price/older technology/equivalent utility to a newer plane explanation.  I think she wants the Cirrus. There's a Cirrus flight school at the FBO where my plane is parked. I think I'll talk to them tomorrow about training. This is why I don't have a wife and if I did I'd get divorced over it. Life's just too short. Buy what you want. If she wants to come along great. If not, she can drive. I can't imagine having to "present" an idea to another person unless they're paying the bills.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 23 Aug 2015, 17:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: There's a Cirrus flight school at the FBO where my plane is parked. I think I'll talk to them tomorrow about training. Sounds like they may have already talked to her 
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 24 Aug 2015, 22:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: I had a long discussion with my wife last night. I presented the 4 scenarios. When I talked about the Baron being less to purchase she responded that it can't be as "safe" as the others because it didn't cost as much. Her position was that there must be a reason the market devalued the Baron, and wouldn't accept the fuel price/older technology/equivalent utility to a newer plane explanation. You mixed apples and oranges. You compared a new DA42, a 2009 SR22, and a 50 year old Baron. Is the Baron under valued? Heck no, a new G58 sells for over a million bucks, far more than either of those other two new. Apples to apples the Baron wins that argument easily. What you're doing by buying used is letting someone else take the hit on the depreciation, just like buying a used car. In the case of the Baron you get 90% of the benefit at 10% of the cost. Present it that way and see what she says.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 09:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: I wrote a while back about how my wife wants a chute or a second engine I assume she flew in your MU2 when you had it, so that sets a particular standard of airplane travel. How about a Cessna 340? About $200-250K. FIKI. Pressurized. 210 knots. Twin. Pressurization is a game changer for passenger comfort and falls in the middle of your price ranges. If she didn't need the twin/chute, then a Malibu would be another option. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 25 Aug 2015, 15:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: There shouldn't be any about whether a twin is safer than what you fly. The statistics say it isn't. BS, The statistics are very skewed! They don't show every twin that loses an engine and lands safely and therefore becomes a non-event. I don't know how many times it has to be pointed out that FATALITY stats are not affected by how many times you fly back on one.
But I agree with Mike - if you can afford (mentally and financially) the operating budget of a pressurized twin, that's a game changer.
And you can tell me all you want how cheap it is. I can't make myself go there.
For what it is, I love my SR.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 08:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: There shouldn't be any about whether a twin is safer than what you fly. The statistics say it isn't. BS, The statistics are very skewed! They don't show every twin that loses an engine and lands safely and therefore becomes a non-event. I'd rather have a second engine and a well trained pilot any day.
I'm very confused by this statement. Wouldn't any non events make the safety data better therefore not skew the data?
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 08:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: BS, The statistics are very skewed! They don't show every twin that loses an engine and lands safely and therefore becomes a non-event. I'd rather have a second engine and a well trained pilot any day.
I'm very confused by this statement. Wouldn't any non events make the safety data better therefore not skew the data?
No. The non events are not tracked in any data.
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Post subject: Re: Another plane choice conundrum Posted: 26 Aug 2015, 09:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most quoted are fatalities. Those are unaffected.
And y'all are misquoting Tony in the last two posts. Thanks! I fixed my post.
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