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Post subject: Re: Guess its time  Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 10:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most of the time I rotate about 10 knots above blue line just because at mid weights it accelerates there so quickly. If it's a short strip or dirt I start rotating about 10 knots before blue line and as the mains are leaving the runway I'm through blue line.
Rocky - Did you really mean blue line? I suspect you either meant red line (Vmc) or blue line is a whole lot less in the stol 421s... My blue line is 111kts. While Ive got you: any issues with operating a 421 off grass/dirt? I've never done it with mine and there are some strips I'd like to try... Robert
Robert, I would love to see your bird. let me know if you ever need a safety pilot!
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 10:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Most of the time I rotate about 10 knots above blue line just because at mid weights it accelerates there so quickly. If it's a short strip or dirt I start rotating about 10 knots before blue line and as the mains are leaving the runway I'm through blue line.
Rocky - Did you really mean blue line? I suspect you either meant red line (Vmc) or blue line is a whole lot less in the stol 421s... My blue line is 111kts. While Ive got you: any issues with operating a 421 off grass/dirt? I've never done it with mine and there are some strips I'd like to try... Robert
Good catch, I meant to say I rotate 10kts above red line which is 80kts. My blue line with 10 degrees is 89kts. The manual says start rotating at 77kts which it will easily do but unless I need to I like the extra comfort of rotating past blue line. But with the flaps in the 10 degree position and these speeds it is ready to fly, I do not have that rotate drag feeling, it is climbing
I have landed at a few grass strips up in Washington but nowhere enough times to through out any advise. Dirt strips many times. On those I am ready to move the second those props start spinning because they are getting nicked if you don't. Cycle props while moving and only at about 1200 RPM or lower. And with the STOL I can land a little less then 90kts lighter weights
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 12:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have landed at a few grass strips up in Washington but nowhere enough times to through out any advise. Dirt strips many times. On those I am ready to move the second those props start spinning because they are getting nicked if you don't. Cycle props while moving and only at about 1200 RPM or lower. And with the STOL I can land a little less then 90kts lighter weights Thanks again. I'm sure my 421 would handle nice 3k grass strips, but I've just been chicken... Robert
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 12:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Robert, I would love to see your bird. let me know if you ever need a safety pilot! We can make that happen Doug! Let's let the TX weather cool down a bit first though. Robert
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Douglas,
Those are impressive performance numbers for a 340. They sure impressed me!
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 18:59 |
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Doug, Congratulations on your new (to-you) C340. I believe you will love the 340 - it is fast, capable and a pleasure to fly. I used my plane for business and flew it 500+ hours per year (2-3 times per week) and never had to cancel a trip for any reason. After I bought mine, I spent several months working out kinks/upgrading avionics/P&I and cleaning up squawks - an effort which resulted in making it an extremely reliable, nearly all-weather business tool. If you need any help or have any questions, I would be delighted to help. I also have some standardized procedures which I'd be happy to share (may need to be adjusted to the STOL version). Enjoy! 
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 19:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doug, Congratulations on your new (to-you) C340. I believe you will love the 340 - it is fast, capable and a pleasure to fly. I used my plane for business and flew it 500+ hours per year (2-3 times per week) and never had to cancel a trip for any reason. After I bought mine, I spent several months working out kinks/upgrading avionics/P&I and cleaning up squawks - an effort which resulted in making it an extremely reliable, nearly all-weather business tool. If you need any help or have any questions, I would be delighted to help. I also have some standardized procedures which I'd be happy to share (may need to be adjusted to the STOL version). Enjoy! Doug, I strongly urge you to take that 340 to Queretaro, Mexico after you get the avionics installed so Alex can show you first hand what knows about C340s. Oh, and be sure Lea and I are in the backseat of that thing when you go! 
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 19:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doug, Congratulations on your new (to-you) C340. I believe you will love the 340 - it is fast, capable and a pleasure to fly. I used my plane for business and flew it 500+ hours per year (2-3 times per week) and never had to cancel a trip for any reason. After I bought mine, I spent several months working out kinks/upgrading avionics/P&I and cleaning up squawks - an effort which resulted in making it an extremely reliable, nearly all-weather business tool. If you need any help or have any questions, I would be delighted to help. I also have some standardized procedures which I'd be happy to share (may need to be adjusted to the STOL version). Enjoy! Thanks Alex! I will take you up on that
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 20:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doug,
Congratulations on your new (to-you) C340. I believe you will love the 340 - it is fast, capable and a pleasure to fly.
I used my plane for business and flew it 500+ hours per year (2-3 times per week) and never had to cancel a trip for any reason. After I bought mine, I spent several months working out kinks/upgrading avionics/P&I and cleaning up squawks - an effort which resulted in making it an extremely reliable, nearly all-weather business tool. If you need any help or have any questions, I would be delighted to help. I also have some standardized procedures which I'd be happy to share (may need to be adjusted to the STOL version).
Enjoy! :thumbup: Doug, I strongly urge you to take that 340 to Queretaro, Mexico after you get the avionics installed so Alex can show you first hand what knows about C340s. Oh, and be sure Lea and I are in the backseat of that thing when you go! :cheers:
Glenn,
You're such a giver...
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Username Protected wrote: Hey. I'm just there to handle the margaritas, carnitas and señoritas. Basically, all things that end in "itas". :rofl: Besides, DJ will be all enthralled with talking airplanes, twins, STOL, blue lines and red lines. You see someone has to keep the ladies entertained while all this is going on in a foreign land. :bud: :cheers:
Edit:! I just realized that my avatar looks a lot like ----> :bud: I think we need to put together a BT caravan to Mexico.
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Post subject: Re: Guess its time Posted: 10 Aug 2015, 21:16 |
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Yep. My criteria - Beach Place where my gals can run wild and have fun. Maybe the oldest one can learn to dive. The rest is negotiable! 
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Besides, DJ will be all enthralled with talking airplanes, twins, STOL, blue lines and red lines. You see someone has to keep the ladies entertained while all this is going on in a foreign land. 
