There are no "realists" at Cirrus? You're the only one?

The reasons you say the SF50 won't work are "JET101" reasons. Granted, Cirrus hasn't launched the SF50 yet. But I do not believe they would have spent this amount of time on it in the first place if what you say is true. If what you say is true, the design flaws would have been blatantly obvious when they were sketching the SF50 up on a napkin.

Check the history of aviation for flawed designs. Bunches of them went into production and failed in the market place.

Which is why no one else is doing an SEJ.

Cirrus is blinded by their piston single success to the realities of building a jet. It seems they didn't have anyone who knew how to use the napkin properly.

Mike C.

No doubt there are. But you are betting against Cirrus. Not some random company with a vaporware jet.

Also,

If what you guys say is true about the SF50, wouldn't Cirrus know it by now and cancel the program? They don't have to release a jet. They will continue to sell tons of SR22's without it. Cirrus would be better off bowing out now than releasing it and having it flop. They'd know by now if it was gonna suck or not.

Last thing Cirrus said was by end of this year. They won't revise that until absolutely the last minute

Mike C.

No doubt there are. But you are betting against Cirrus. Not some random company with a vaporware jet.

Also,

If what you guys say is true about the SF50, wouldn't Cirrus know it by now and cancel the program? They don't have to release a jet. They will continue to sell tons of SR22's without it. Cirrus would be better off bowing out now than releasing it and having it flop. They'd know by now if it was gonna suck or not.

Selling positions is a special thing, individuals don't do it directly and only certain brokers do it.

Thus it is not at all surprising that position sales are handled by a small number of brokers and no individuals are direct listing.


A realist knows which way it will go.

Mike C.

What doesn't matter?

You're painting with too broad a stroke. It takes years to bring a plane to market. The design flaws on the airplane that Mike is bringing up are huge. Wouldn't Cirrus know by now that they have a dud?

Without a doubt they know the flaws and limitations of the SEJ. Likely better than anyone else.

They are betting that there will be a sufficient market in spite of the limitations.

They may be right.

Has Cirrus made a press release that says "Our plane is slow with no range"? The website still shows good numbers.

Cirrus said back in 2006 the SF50 will be the "slowest, lowest, and cheapest jet available". So there was awareness that an SEJ is crippled right from the start.

In the current sales brochure, they apparently now think that being slow and low isn't such a hot selling point, so the language now states:

"The Vision SF50 Personal Jet is a breakthrough in personal aviation. It goes faster: 300 KTAS cruising speed. It goes farther: up to 1,200 nm. It carries more payload: up to five adults and two children."

Faster, farther than what? A fixed gear piston single? Really?

But do note the asterisk:

"*Specifications, weights, representations, colors, list of equipment, use of materials and model references, are not warranted or guaranteed to be true or accurate."

Cirrus has yet to release a draft of the AFM performance section. This either means either they don't know what the performance is yet, or that they do and don't want to tell anyone yet.

Mike C.

What doesn't matter?

You're painting with too broad a stroke. It takes years to bring a plane to market. The design flaws on the airplane that Mike is bringing up are huge. Wouldn't Cirrus know by now that they have a dud?

What doesn't matter?

You're painting with too broad a stroke. It takes years to bring a plane to market. The design flaws on the airplane that Mike is bringing up are huge. Wouldn't Cirrus know by now that they have a dud?

Latest word from Cirrus; They're claiming certification and initial deliveries by the end of 2015.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... vision-jet

Cirrus said back in 2006 the SF50 will be the "slowest, lowest, and cheapest jet available". So there was awareness that an SEJ is crippled right from the start.

In the current sales brochure, they apparently now think that being slow and low isn't such a hot selling point, so the language now states:

"The Vision SF50 Personal Jet is a breakthrough in personal aviation. It goes faster: 300 KTAS cruising speed. It goes farther: up to 1,200 nm. It carries more payload: up to five adults and two children."

Faster, farther than what? A fixed gear piston single? Really?

But do note the asterisk:

"*Specifications, weights, representations, colors, list of equipment, use of materials and model references, are not warranted or guaranteed to be true or accurate."

Cirrus has yet to release a draft of the AFM performance section. This either means either they don't know what the performance is yet, or that they do and don't want to tell anyone yet.

Mike C.