Only at 107 airports, so can be hit or miss depending on where you go. I'm not sure how much better they are than other free contract fuelers, though their members seem to be enthusiastic yet not quantitative about the advantages.

If you join only one contract program, Everest is free and works at ~1300 US airports and about ~200 international ones. They work a bit differently, you send email and they quote for you. If it is an airport they don't serve yet, they call and negotiate on the spot for you sometimes.

My usage has been roughly:

Everest: 50%
List price: 25%
Colt: 18%
Uvair: 7%

Used to have Airboss, wasn't worth keeping.

In some cases, list price is cheaper than contract price, so you have to check.

Example KHSD list $2.59, Everest is $3.03. Duh.

Mike C.

Mike, what does Everest show for KIXD?

All below are 1+ gallons (discounts often apply on larger uplifts) and without FSII additive added if not already premixed.

CAA works with Advanced, anyone know their price?

Note the low *list* price for Quick Turn if you qualify for that service (less than 30 min on ramp)

Signature (FSII extra cost, $0.05/gal?):

List: $6.95
Airboss: N/A
Uvair: $5.47
Colt: $5.48
Everest: $5.56

New Century (FSII premixed):

List: $4.00
Airboss: $3.95
Uvair: $3.29 <---- lowest
Colt: $3.29 <---- lowest
Everest: $3.36

Advanced (FSII no charge):

List: $4.30
Airboss: $3.95
Uvair: $3.84
Colt: $3.60
Everest: $3.91

Quick Turn (Advanced < 30 min ramp):

List: $3.46 <---- lowest list
Airboss: N/A
Uvair: N/A
Colt: $3.53
Everest: N/A

Mike C.

CAA's pricing is not allowed to be shared. The best price on the field is CAA quick turn at Advanced.

I wonder if fuel is going up? I just paid 3.03 with UV at New Century three weeks ago.

This is funny, I saw that on their contract too. The fuel mafia will b after Mike C now.

This is funny, I saw that on their contract too. The fuel mafia will b after Mike C now.

Mike,
Try CAA it's free for 6 months.

Makes sense for me in my Eclipse should work even better in your Mitts.

They dropped the NBAA requirement so it's a no brainer for the free trial

CAA is the best, the problem is it's the smallest.

If you are going to a non-CAA airport, it's Colt, UVAir, or Everest. Sometimes colt will be 30% cheaper than UV, sometimes the other way around. You just have to check them all ...

I flew 20 hours this month from California to Florida and several destinations in between, and not once did I pay over $3 per gallon.

I put that theory to the test. Using a current price sheet for CAA, I found they had 98 airports in the CONUS they serve (Kxxx IDs, no Cxxx, no Pxxx). I then compared them to the best of Everest, Colt, Uvair for all 98 airports.

This is how CAA stacks up against the best of the others, sorted from biggest advantage to worst disadvantage:

The variance was from CAA being $0.89 worse to $2.25 better than the best the other guys could do. About 75% of the time, CAA was better, about 30% of the time it was $0.50 better or more.

So, most of the time, if CAA serves the airport, it works. When CAA is better, it averages $0.49 better, so it takes about 1200 gallons to break even over the other free cards. There are 75 airports where it is better, so if you frequent those, it clearly wins. If you don't, then making back the $600 could be challenging.

Caveats: the process was very manual, errors could be introduced, no checking of fees or other limits, the lowest price for each card could be at different FBOs, just looked at the lowest price at the smallest qty. Did not check list prices, which can sometimes be cheaper than contract fuel.

Mike C.

Lear 31A-ER... That wing tho... Such splendid.
455KTAS
Stone simple systems.
mmmmm DEECs

^^^^^^ 31A

The 35 in an awesome bird! If you're looking for a consistent 1400nm, have you had a look at the 36? The 35 doing 1400nm westbound in the winter could be a stretch, depending on the day.

Also, as another poster said....DEEC's

I have many thousands of hours in Lear Jets of all models. The 35 is an awesome aircraft! Efficient and supremely reliable. You will need an experienced crew to get the most out of it and to maximize safety.

By the way, 1400 Nm in a 35 against the wind is a piece of cake. We used to do Non-stop KTEB to KDAL every night flying freight in a Lear 24, a 35 is way better on fuel. Seems the 35 was a 5 hour 30 minute airplane, goes a long way at 440 knots. Get up high and squeeze back the power to .70 and she will sip the fuel at 500 lbs a side.

It would be tough to imagine any day where the 35 couldn't manage a 1400nm flight! Last week I did a 1400nm flight with 100+ knots average headwind and landed with almost 2,000 lbs. And the week before that I did a 1600 nm flight with with 60 knot average headwinds and landed with 1200lbs. You can stay in the air comfortably for 4.5 hours, shoot an approach and land with 1200 lbs. You can stretch that to longer than 4.5 if you need to, but you need to pull the power back to econo cruise around .70. I prefer to fly at .8! The 36 comes into play only if you need to do 2,000+ nm consistently Medivac operators run the 36 from Washington state to Hawaii !

I've owned my 35A for a year now and have put over 200 hours on it. Considering you can buy a very, very nice one for $1m (the junk brining far less), I think there is nothing which can come close to it for the money. On every flight my block speed is at least 440 knots. Cruise can be as high as 470 knots depending on attitude, temp, and weight. It burns less fuel per nm than any straight wing citation. Oh, and it's an absolute blast to fly! One of my regular flights is 1400nm. Eastbound, I will do that flight in 2 hours and 45 minutes. I take off as a ~14,000lb airplane which means my climb to FL410 typically takes around 18 minutes, even with level-offs and short delays from ATC.

My complaints? The cockpit is a little tight and I wish the A/C and heating worked better up there. Altitude pre-select would be nice (I missed the newer autopilot by just a few serial numbers). 200 extra gallons of fuel would be nice for when I fly to Europe and back (Ala Lear 36), but I'm not sure I would want to do 6.5+ hours in that seat anyway! Overall, it represents an excellent value in the private jet market and is probably one of the last real pilot's jets built. It seems everything which came after this was designed mostly with the guy in the back in mind. Even newer jets which were designed to be owner flown, seems that they were designed to be owner-'programmed' and flown with buttons and switches. Flying a tip-tanked Lear, you need to be a pilot, but that is part of the fun for me.