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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 12:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason,
The company I now fly for said the same thing and upgraded from a 2006 CJ3 to 2014 XLS+ . They bypassed the Encore as wasn't a big improvement in Cabin /performance for the price.
Nigel But what if you're just buying your first jet? Is there a reason to choose and Encore over a CJ3? Why would I pick one over the other? The CJ3 costs more to acquire I think. CJ4 is out. I think it costs a lot more to run than a CJ3 but not much more benefit. Even the CJ sales guys tell me this.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 12:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: In using an aircraft as a business tool, I spent a little time arguing with my accountant that 'my time' has a value when compared to commercial. I was told that I can only associate the cost of a 'commercial ticket' as an expense and not the cost of the aircraft or my time. The other interesting part was that if I take my family (which I always do) I have to deduct that against their 'commercial tickets' value. Gonna get a turbo prop anyways, but the expense rules have me seriously scratching my head  Michael: Don't confuse tax accounting with cost accounting. It sounds like you were discussing what you could deduct for your business flights under IRS rules vs. determining cost per hour for making a choice of which aircraft to acquire. Two totally different issues.
:-) Not me!!
I believe that if you are making a financial decision then both have to be taken into account. Cost accounting has to take into account the tax benefits. Now for determining which aircraft, it's obvious that your 310 is costing me as much as my Baron, hence the need for additional speed and capabilities. I know Tony's doing the same too.
That being said for me the 'cost accounting' makes incredible sense because of the value of my time. I live in South Florida which for travelling the whole US is actually a pretty out of the way spot.
Attached the regs as I know for Jesse. Charter has the same issues.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 12:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: Jason,
The company I now fly for said the same thing and upgraded from a 2006 CJ3 to 2014 XLS+ . They bypassed the Encore as wasn't a big improvement in Cabin /performance for the price.
The Director flight ops looked at the CJ4 and surmises the the 4 will most likely compete against the Encores for sale as the difference in price and performance isn't that much
Don't know why the difference really ? Cessna marketing? RD costs for the Encore have to be lower than the CJ line when spread across the total production of the 500 series / type cert.
Nigel Does the Encore have the old engines? I'm scheduled to fly it but haven't.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 12:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: I now have two Aviation CPA's and Attorney's working with me.
Our business has quadrupled in the last six months, and we are on pace to do it again this year.
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If you would like to setup a meeting, to discuss your individual situation, just drop me a PM.
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 13:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: As far as supply, the normal inventory that's been listed for awhile probably isn't what one wants. Many have high engine times and old avionics. You really don't want to overhaul these engines and flying past TBO puts one in a poor position unless on an approved extension program. I'm actually leaning toward dry leasing for several reasons. Dave, You've mentioned dry leasing a number of times. I don't know anything about how it works. How do the economics work?
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 14:44 |
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I've never had "jet fever." Apparently, it's a virus that is not contagious to those in my income range... 
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Post subject: Re: Flew the Citation II today SDL to TEX - VID Posted: 24 Jan 2015, 15:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: In using an aircraft as a business tool, I spent a little time arguing with my accountant that 'my time' has a value when compared to commercial.
I was told that I can only associate the cost of a 'commercial ticket' as an expense and not the cost of the aircraft or my time. The other interesting part was that if I take my family (which I always do) I have to deduct that against their 'commercial tickets' value. Your accountant may be confusing the entertainment use taxation rules (which is what you posted) as opposed to the general business expense deductibility question, which requires that the expense be incurred in the course of carrying out your trade and that it be ordinary and necessary. There's nothing in the tax code to suggest that you need to use the lowest cost means of travel. Surely, riding a bicycle would be cheaper than driving, yet you're allowed to drive. Driving is often cheaper than commercial flying, yet you can fly commercial...
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