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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50  Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 12:53 |
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For the record, I have done 16.5K from Atlanta to Denver many times. It's no big deal and never found it more bumpy than in the mid 20's. Sometimes the mid twenties and low 30's is more turbulent. No altitude has a monopoly on smooth. And I don't really care about "smooth". I always hear the airlines getting ride reports. I'm like "whatcha gonna do about it anyways"? I don't really care. I'm still going.
But the only reason I would be going West right now is to hit the ski slopes. I'd still make it non stop with 6 plus bags on board at 16.5k'. Would the CJ2 at FL410 you are comparing with? No. That's not a swipe at CJ2 owners. The plane just isn't big enough for me.
I've really got my mission and situation dialed in. I've analyzed every detail. If the jet has to stop for gas going west today and I don't, I'm faster. If the jet can't haul everyone I want then it's not as useful to me. This is why I want CJ3 or Phenom 300. They are fast PC12's. Pretty much the same specs but faster.
Why the 3 and not the the 4. ProLine? I love the Sovereign wing. You get all the advantages of Premier without any of the disadvantages. A Light CJ4 comes over the numbers in the 90s and stops on a dime and you get the Premier cruise speeds. I think the comparison should be between CJ4 and Phenom 300, not CJ3. Different beast.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 12:53 |
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ATL to Denver at 16.5k VFR ? That would suck.  That's Baron's altitudes. Username Protected wrote:
For the record, I have done 16.5K from Atlanta to Denver many times. It's no big deal and never found it more bumpy than in the mid 20's. Sometimes the mid twenties and low 30's is more turbulent. No altitude has a monopoly on smooth. And I don't really care about "smooth". I always hear the airlines getting ride reports. I'm like "whatcha gonna do about it anyways"? I don't really care. I'm still going.
But the only reason I would be going West right now is to hit the ski slopes. I'd still make it non stop with 6 plus bags on board at 16.5k'. Would the CJ2 at FL410 you are comparing with? No. That's not a swipe at CJ2 owners. The plane just isn't big enough for me.
I've really got my mission and situation dialed in. I've analyzed every detail. If the jet has to stop for gas going west today and I don't, I'm faster. If the jet can't haul everyone I want then it's not as useful to me. This is why I want CJ3 or Phenom 300. They are fast PC12's. Pretty much the same specs but faster.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 13:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Even in an 850 you will never see cruise level over 70 gph. POH says cruise (max or recommended, they are the same at these altitudes) to get 70 GPH or less requires an altitude of 190 or higher. Long range cruise will bring fuel flows down to the 40s, but at a big hit in airspeed which makes using them in headwinds not so useful. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 13:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: But the only reason I would be going West right now is to hit the ski slopes. I'd still make it non stop with 6 plus bags on board at 16.5k'. Would the CJ2 at FL410 you are comparing with? No. I think the CJ2 would do it, 6 plus bags, PDK to APA, right now. The winds die off quite a bit after leaving the ATL area, down to about 40 knots by APA. Mike C.
Winds are even more favorable mid 20's and high teens right now. Today would be a god day to go. Also, direct into ASE not APA. Add 20-30 minutes or so. Also, how is 6 plus bags on a CJ2? CJ2 has 8 seats total. My Pilatus has 11 seats but I take 3 out so I have 8 also. It's a big cabin.
I'm showing range on CJ2 at 1050 normal -1500max.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 13:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: Winds are even more favorable mid 20's and high teens right now. Today would be a god day to go. Also, direct into ASE not APA. Add 20-30 minutes or so. Also, how is 6 plus bags on a CJ2? CJ2 has 8 seats total. My Pilatus has 11 seats but I take 3 out so I have 8 also. It's a big cabin.
I'm showing range on CJ2 at 1050 normal -1500max. Actually, with the usual APA routing and the fact they are going to drop you to 8000, 60 miles out, it might be a wash time wise between the two. At least that's been my experience. When do you start descending for KASE? Never been, my playground is KJAC. If you want some real skiing, you should come out for a visit. As far as I'm concerned, Aspen is one giant green run 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 13:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Actually, with the usual APA routing and the fact they are going to drop you to 8000, 60 miles out, it might be a wash time wise between the two. At least that's been my experience. When do you start descending for KASE? Never been, my playground is KJAC. If you want some real skiing, you should come out for a visit. As far as I'm concerned, Aspen is one giant green run If VFR I cancel at 16.5 and take it in at that altitude. IFR you're at 13K at DBL to shoot the approach so I don't think they've ever descended me to 8K'. ASE is 50% about skiing and 50% about "the scene". However, ASE is NOT one big green run. Aspen Highlands is a great resort with lots of challenging terrain. Jackson Hole is world class skiing no doubt but I like the Dj spinning slope side at Apres' Ski and tons of eye candy.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 13:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Actually, with the usual APA routing and the fact they are going to drop you to 8000, 60 miles out, it might be a wash time wise between the two. At least that's been my experience. When do you start descending for KASE? Never been, my playground is KJAC. If you want some real skiing, you should come out for a visit. As far as I'm concerned, Aspen is one giant green run If VFR I cancel at 16.5 and take it in at that altitude. IFR you're at 13K at DBL to shoot the approach so I don't think they've ever descended me to 8K'. ASE is 50% about skiing and 50% about "the scene". However, ASE is NOT one big green run. Aspen Highlands is a great resort with lots of challenging terrain. Jackson Hole is world class skiing no doubt but I like the Dj spinning slope side at Apres' Ski and tons of eye candy.
I'll give you that much when it comes to eye candy. Of course, ASE in not one giant green run, but we have pride in ours here in Jackson. PM me if you're ever in Jackson, I'll show you around...We've got some eye candy too...
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Username Protected wrote: tons of eye candy. The reason you fly a single engine turboprop VFR to Aspen is to go look at eye candy? That like picking up your date in a delivery van. Maybe the eye candy would look at you if you flew a jet. :-) Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 15 Jan 2015, 14:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: tons of eye candy. The reason you fly a single engine turboprop VFR to Aspen is to go look at eye candy? That like picking up your date in a delivery van. Maybe the eye candy would look at you if you flew a jet. :-) Mike C.
I think you didn't have a lot of friends in HS..... or College 
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Username Protected wrote: tons of eye candy. The reason you fly a single engine turboprop VFR to Aspen is to go look at eye candy? That like picking up your date in a delivery van. Maybe the eye candy would look at you if you flew a jet. :-) Mike C.
Officially lost all credibility.
We've seen J's entourage, now let's see yours Mike.
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Username Protected wrote: The reason you fly a single engine turboprop VFR to Aspen is to go look at eye candy?
That like picking up your date in a delivery van.
Maybe the eye candy would look at you if you flew a jet. :-)
Mike C. Officially lost all credibility. We've seen J's entourage, now let's see yours Mike.
I believe Mike was being humorous. My first date with my wife was in one of my delivery vans. Bought an Econoline almost ten years later.
Don't underestimate the pulling power (to attract the ladies) of a delivery van
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And Jason probably made a cool million overnight since the Swiss franc shot thru the roof overnight, 30% up, since being de-peged from the Euro. Lucky? Good? Both? What's a new PC-12 going to be now? 5.5 million?
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Username Protected wrote: Officially lost all credibility. You're right, I shouldn't have responded to Crandall in kind. Mike C.
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