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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b  Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 21:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: Try the Quest Kodiak at $640 / 174 knts = 3.67
Pilatus 12/45 $950 / 235 = 4.04
Pilatus 12 NG $950/ 265 = 3.58
Do it with a full airplane and that per seat cost is just incredible. Where are you guys getting these numbers?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 21:13 |
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Now that we have almost a year of TBM 900 experience, what are the real world airspeeds/fuel flows? We know what marketing says, but what's the experience of those that are strapped into one? If you make it go the advertised speed, what's the burn? How much fuel can you bring along if you put 4 std peeps in it with 100#s of luggage?
I've got quite a bit of envy for this airplane. Curious of what the norms are?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 21:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Try the Quest Kodiak at $640 / 174 knts = 3.67
Pilatus 12/45 $950 / 235 = 4.04
Pilatus 12 NG $950/ 265 = 3.58
Do it with a full airplane and that per seat cost is just incredible. Where are you guys getting these numbers?
Conklin and de Decker
loose hourly operating costs.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 23:20 |
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Brent, POH # are very realistic. Im hearing 325-327 At FL280, ISA temps. 64 gph. Useful load with full fuel is around 820 ibs, so no problem getting max range with full fuel with 4 and 100 ibs of luggage. Username Protected wrote: Now that we have almost a year of TBM 900 experience, what are the real world airspeeds/fuel flows? We know what marketing says, but what's the experience of those that are strapped into one? If you make it go the advertised speed, what's the burn? How much fuel can you bring along if you put 4 std peeps in it with 100#s of luggage?
I've got quite a bit of envy for this airplane. Curious of what the norms are?
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 10 Dec 2014, 23:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Now that we have almost a year of TBM 900 experience, what are the real world airspeeds/fuel flows? We know what marketing says, but what's the experience of those that are strapped into one? If you make it go the advertised speed, what's the burn? How much fuel can you bring along if you put 4 std peeps in it with 100#s of luggage?
I've got quite a bit of envy for this airplane. Curious of what the norms are?
Sheesh. That is within 10% fuel cost/NM in cruise of the Baron, while going 140kts faster with a much larger cabin.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 00:06 |
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Jesse,
Yep thats the diff baron vs TBM, Plus price delta.
Legacy 850 297-308 KTS, FL 27-28, FF is 53-58 GPH in cruise depending on temps/wt.
We flight plan 61.5-63 GPH for a 1.5-3 hour flight all in. We have flown 1100nm with power pulled back, flt time 4:36 and landed with 62 gallons, big headwind. 281 useable. Saved a fuel stop. Amazing versatility.
As Marc says it is built like a tank vs the Meridian. TBM is a French trainer, goes through he-- with their air force and keeps on plugging. Love ours.
TBM is a Ferrari
Pilatus an SUV
Both great, different missions.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 09:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: TBM is a Ferrari
Pilatus an SUV
I hate car analogies. They're not accurate at all. My Ferrari is MUCH faster than my SUV and hauls MUCH less. TBM is just a smaller Pilatus and therefore faster. I think they have the same range. I cruise 270. TBM 850's don't cruise much faster than that do they? 20 knots or less maybe? If you don't need the larger cabin and the lav get the TBM. Makes sense to me.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 10:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: The TBM I would suggest would be closer to an BMW M3.
Tim Yes. That's a much better analogy.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 11:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would not buy one because it is not electric. Smartest man on the boards 
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 13:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would not buy one because it is not electric. I won't buy one one because it has that stupid turbo prop instead of a single jet and it doesn't have a chute.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 14:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would not buy one because it is not electric. I won't buy one one because it has that stupid turbo prop instead of a single jet and it doesn't have a chute.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus is with out doubt the greatest Turbo Prop ever b Posted: 11 Dec 2014, 14:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: TBM is a Ferrari
Pilatus an SUV
I hate car analogies. They're not accurate at all. My Ferrari is MUCH faster than my SUV and hauls MUCH less. TBM is just a smaller Pilatus and therefore faster. I think they have the same range. I cruise 270. TBM 850's don't cruise much faster than that do they? 20 knots or less maybe? If you don't need the larger cabin and the lav get the TBM. Makes sense to me.
A bit faster than that. I demoed one two years ago. I recall fairly consistent 315 from FL26 all the way to FL310 so about 40knots faster than a PC12NG.
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