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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 20:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: I've also gotta a landing contest that I gotta help the team win  Man has gotta dream sometimes. Keep hope alive  I'm going home tonight turning on the pool heater and practicing my belly flops. I'm mentally prepared to do what it takes!!
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 20:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: insurance for a guy with a lot of float time was $98K per year. Sadly your friend was being poorly represented on the insurance end so hopefully that ridiculous price he was paying didn't have a role in him selling the airplane? There is no way even in the hardest market during the last 10-15 years would a Caravan amphib (hull value in the $2m-$3m range) fetch a $98k insurance premium for an owner pilot with good float experience (albeit mostly piston?). That is absolutely crazy........I can't even fathom that or why he was paying that kind of rate.
Tom what's ballpark for a caravan with more than 10 seats?
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 20:33 |
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Joined: 08/26/14 Posts: 146 Post Likes: +128 Location: Texas
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You need a big hangar door for the caravan. I'm in the process of building a hangar and I want a 208 to be able to fit. Needs to be at least 55 wide to be comfortable. 53' wingspan.
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 20:56 |
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Quote: Not trying to hi-jack.
The Caravan and Kodiak are fantastic machines for what they are made for.
But if you don't need room for 10, or want to pay the commensurate insurance bill and still have a high wing turbine heavy hauler....
The Rolls Royce powered Soloy turbine MKII (not the MKI) 206 is an incredible conversion with engineering and installation that is second to none. How about the Pilatus PC6? Doesn't that do short field better than any of these? I have flown jumpers in one. It is still available new. PT6 reliability. Only one problem. Cruise speed is 115 knots and range is not great. But for the right mission, hard to beat.
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 21:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Michael, do you have any idea what a new one costs? I can't find it anywhere. And with the price of Jet A on these CAA cards 48gph aint all that much considering you can take the whole family. And play catch in the back!  2.75 mil loaded with Oasis interior. Insurance is 25k
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 21:38 |
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My father had a Grand Caravan with Oasis interior, we used it for family trips, but it's main purpose was for him to commute to and from work within Florida. He ended buying a Pilatus PC-12, then trying to sell the Caravan, took him over a year to finally find a buyer for the Caravan (market is slow for them right now). Might be good news if you are looking to buy one.
Long story short, according to him the cost of running the Pilatus including maintenance has been nearly identical to the Caravan. It climbs faster so they can get to an altitude where fuel consumption starts to get a little bit better and the block times are shorter in the PC-12 at almost 100 knots faster. His typical mission is 150nm legs at 10,000 - 12,000 feet vs the Caravan they'd never take it much higher than 6,000 - 7,000 feet. FYI for a turbo prop the Caravan is a pig in the climb, I seem to recall it being around 700fpm.
A picture of his old beast
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 22:09 |
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John, great post. Great picture, that's one sexy beast. A decent (for me) pilatus is costing around the 3MM mark. I can get a very nice Caravan that will accomplish 75% of my needs for a little more than a 3rd of that. Haul my kids, surfboards, bikes, etc. ....and help my team in the landing contest. East Coast Back Country Boys.....we play a little music too 
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 22:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm going home tonight turning on the pool heater and practicing my belly flops. I'm mentally prepared to do what it takes!!
Ha. Where did your hilarity suddenly come from?
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 03 Dec 2014, 23:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm going home tonight turning on the pool heater and practicing my belly flops. I'm mentally prepared to do what it takes!!
Ha. Where did your hilarity suddenly come from?
Single engine turbines, mon, they make you good looking, funny and able to land in short distances........you should try one, safer than a twin
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 04 Dec 2014, 00:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tom what's ballpark for a caravan with more than 10 seats?
Depends on the hull value, your experience and the limits carried...but should be between 10k and 20k roughly...on wheels....assuming a 1.5m or so bird.
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 04 Dec 2014, 23:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tom what's ballpark for a caravan with more than 10 seats?
Depends on the hull value, your experience and the limits carried...but should be between 10k and 20k roughly...on wheels....assuming a 1.5m or so bird.
Tom, thanks for that, does seat count matter after 10? Hull value will be 1.5 to 2MM
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 05 Dec 2014, 00:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tom, thanks for that, does seat count matter after 10? Hull value will be 1.5 to 2MM Michael the seating is one of the components that goes into determining the liability premium. I wouldn't sweat it though as with most policies the bulk of the total premium is in hull insurance - you would likely only see 20-25 percent of the total premium be attributable to the liability carried.
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Post subject: Re: Caravan or Kodiak Quest as a personal airplane Posted: 05 Dec 2014, 14:52 |
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Having lived for many years near where they manufacture the Quest, I have seen that aircraft do some pretty incredible things. Smaller footprint than the C'van, but with gobs of payload (the -34 is such a great turbine).
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