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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements  Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 14:31 |
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Hello Dan, Username Protected wrote: It is hard for most people to understand that a 421 should have longer runways than many straight-wing jets. I completely understand. I have flown several Jets including the one I fly now the 737. I have years of experience in the Beech 1900. The 1900 I could have put that in just about anywhere. Here at Southwest we have shown that we can put the 737 in with less than 3500ft.  For the Duke or the 421, I think I would want more runway than for the other two aircraft mentioned.
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:43 |
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For both the Duke and 421 it is more about how far to the i moveable obstruction, rather than how much pavements.
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: For both the Duke and 421 it is more about how far to the i moveable obstruction, rather than how much pavements. Yeah, 1500' might be enough launching north off KNEW.
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 15:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is hard for most people to understand that a 421 should have longer runways than many straight-wing jets. I completely understand. I have flown several Jets including the one I fly now the 737. I have years of experience in the Beech 1900. The 1900 I could have put that in just about anywhere. Here at Southwest we have shown that we can put the 737 in with less than 3500ft. For the Duke or the 421, I think I would want more runway than for the other two aircraft mentioned.
Don,
Yes, it's interesting how short some of the Boeings can land. A lightweight 737, 747, 757 and 767 does excellent with short field. Beyond that, have no clue.... however, weight and temp means a lot.
I've got most time in the 737, probably pushing 7000 hours and yes, they do excellent. Not uncommon with some wind, to get a GS below 100 on final.
Miss that stuff....
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 18:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: 421C can use short runways. I can land and TO in 2500 feet at SL Depending on weight and temperature and obstacles. The risk is reduced by the length of the runway.
A good skillful 421C pilot should be able to use anything from 2500 and longer with the required conditions. At night I prefer at least 4,000. Daytime 3,000 to 4,000. Ok...landing 2500'. how safe you going to be departing?
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 18:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ok...landing 2500'. how safe you going to be departing? There are times at multi-runway airports that for wind/operational reasons you might land on a much shorter runway than you subsequently have to depart on. As for departure - it's a matter of risk tolerance. I'm in the "depends what's in front of the runway" camp.
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Post subject: Re: 421 Runway requirements Posted: 18 Nov 2014, 19:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: 421C can use short runways. I can land and TO in 2500 feet at SL Depending on weight and temperature and obstacles. The risk is reduced by the length of the runway.
A good skillful 421C pilot should be able to use anything from 2500 and longer with the required conditions. At night I prefer at least 4,000. Daytime 3,000 to 4,000. Ok...landing 2500'. how safe you going to be departing?
Same as you in your Baron. Depends on the obstacles out in front?
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