Good for you, Jason, hope you have a good time.

Myself, I don't like packed ramps. No place to park, everything is real expensive, service generally goes downhill....give me plenty o' parking & a semi decent courtesy car & away we go!

Newer Seneca's and Baron's don't have crashing prices. Go buy one, you find out really quickly that a good 2000 and newer Baron is north of 500k

Heck, fifty year old ones probably sell for more now than when they were new.

This has nothing to do with what this thread is about. What are you talking about?

Jason, the thread is about prices of Twin Engine Airplanes. Says "Twin Prices Crashing".
You, of course, posted that the ramp at the airport you're at are full:

So, someone asks you about what type of plane is parked, (probably trying to se if they are TWIN engine airplanes...)

My post was in response to your post (that had nothing to do with the price of twin engine airplanes). I said that I like ramps that aren't full better than ones that are.
Neither your post or mine had anything to do with what the thread was about.

What difference does it make? All GA.

A pair of 30k engine overhauls makes sense on a 500k airplane. Not so much on older twins, say 100k value. I haven't researched it, but I'd bet old turboprops have similar issues.

A pair of 30k engine overhauls makes sense on a 500k airplane. Not so much on older twins, say 100k value. I haven't researched it, but I'd bet old turboprops have similar issues.

I'll put my plane up against any 500k Baron out there, mine is better IMHO. I'd do my engines again... if you have a solid airframe and you plan to fly the value out of the engines, why not overhaul em. I'd rather have 100k in a brand new firewall forward and 15 years TBO ahead of me, than deal with parting out an old Baron and buying someone else's sob story.

I'll put my plane up against any 500k Baron out there, mine is better IMHO. I'd do my engines again... if you have a solid airframe and you plan to fly the value out of the engines, why not overhaul em. I'd rather have 100k in a brand new firewall forward and 15 years TBO ahead of me, than deal with parting out an old Baron and buying someone else's sob story.[/quote]

I own said Baron but I would agree 100% with Adam!!!

Continentals are a very good bang for the buck if you are looking at the IO520's and the iO550's.

And Adam ain't flying no low budget Baron either. That ride has been pimped!!![/quote]
I agree with you guys. I'm just saying high time engines can be the death of a mediocre airplane. I'm slowly improving my Twin Bonanza, but a look at twins for sale shows a lot of 65k airplanes with high time engines that won't sell, and aren't worth putting engines in. Cream puffs still bring good money, but for now, the combination of gas prices and overhaul costs drags older twin prices down proportionally more than older singles.

Why would you not want to put engines in a low cost airplane?
The value in the engines is how much time they have left.

A pair of 30k engine overhauls makes sense on a 500k airplane. Not so much on older twins, say 100k value. I haven't researched it, but I'd bet old turboprops have similar issues.

When I started flying in my mids 30s I felt the same way, I was ALWAYS the youngest guy at any aviation event, by quite a bit. It has changed though.

8ish years later I am actually surprised how many people I have met and friends I have made through flying that are within 4 years of my age +/-. No idea why this has changed, but it certainly has. Its possible since I bought my A36 I have been at more Beech specific events, and they attract younger people. Who knows....

Why would you not want to put engines in a low cost airplane?
The value in the engines is how much time they have left.

Well then you are also talking about the airframe too, which is why they are priced at lower. We need Sanderson to chime in here.

Airplanes in my humble opinion are the cheapest things I own.