I know my deb has more head room. I can fit in it. I like the Cirrus but I can't close the door. I need to recline the seat too far to make the plane work for me. I am tight in many aircraft but just can't hack it in the Cirrus. I have never been in a Pilatus. Was yours the plane they painted at Spalding Regional?

I know my deb has more head room. I can fit in it. I like the Cirrus but I can't close the door. I need to recline the seat too far to make the plane work for me. I am tight in many aircraft but just can't hack it in the Cirrus. I have never been in a Pilatus. Was yours the plane they painted at Spalding Regional?

I have plenty of clearance in the Cirrus - even sitting straight up.

The SR22 has more shoulder room, as well. That's been discussed many times showing the specs.

The Deb is tight on me but better than the Cirrus. Mooney is the best fit for me but they don't have jack for useful load. I like the Cirrus and it's low resale value puts them in my range but my sitting height will just not work for me. I have flown many planes that were tight on me but workable. It could be the better seats they have now with the ability to take more impact sit higher. I don't know. I do know that Cirrus is out for me.

I have been looking at T210, BE55, and PA34's as my next plane. I like the a36 but for the money I think I will end up not getting one.

To me the Cirrus is like a sports car. I love to look at them but hate to get in or out of them.

All this Cirrus love is making me ill. I sat in one at OSH and I don't fit. I'm 6'5/235#. I also think you will never see a 50 year old Cirrus flying. I'm glad they are making planes but I will never buy one.

I have plenty of clearance in the Cirrus - even sitting straight up.

The SR22 has more shoulder room, as well. That's been discussed many times showing the specs.

What does this have to do with anything?

In the first place it was a Chinese company not China that bought Cirrus. So what? If you're against products just because foreign companies own their manufacturer, or make them directly, you must not own many products manufactured in the last 30 years of any kind.

I'd prefer that Cirrus and Continental were still owned directly by Americans or American companies too but I am glad that visionary business people were willing to invest their capital to keep both companies not only alive but innovating and saving American manufacturing jobs from being further displaced overseas.

I'm sorry that Beech has failed to innovate for a number of years. That is too bad for all of us. It has more to do with a lack of visionary entrepreneurial leadership than probably anything else.

Sam,

With a due respect I do not think you can make the case with facts that Cirrus needed to be propped up because the piston planes weren't profitable. If you can I will stand corrected.

As far as Dale and Alan Klapmeier being "idiots" I don't think that is at all fair. In the first place certifying an airplane is complex and the costs cannot always be know very clearly. In the second economic recessions of an unprecedented magnitude (the worst in 60 years) threw off many very well conceived business plans created by lots of very experienced, intelligent people.

As someone who works with entrepreneurs every day, and who is involved in venture capital, I can also tell you that many brilliant, talented, well financed people with incredible products go broke all the time. Luck has a lot to do with this.

Sam,

With a due respect I do not think you can make the case with facts that Cirrus needed to be propped up because the piston planes weren't profitable. If you can I will stand corrected.

As far as Dale and Alan Klapmeier being "idiots" I don't think that is at all fair. In the first place certifying an airplane is complex and the costs cannot always be know very clearly. In the second economic recessions of an unprecedented magnitude (the worst in 60 years) threw off many very well conceived business plans created by lots of very experienced, intelligent people.

As someone who works with entrepreneurs every day, and who is involved in venture capital, I can also tell you that many brilliant, talented, well financed people with incredible products go broke all the time. Luck has a lot to do with this.

Well in the sense of economics it has all the relevance one needs. The plane is propped up economically by an outside investor. It could not stand of its own merits. Really, to me, as stated previously, more a result of our system that squelches innovation and entrepreneurship, than the merits of the plane itself. That, and some idiot wanted to build a jet and didn't know what it was going to cost. And of course there was 2008...

I'm not knocking the plane at all. Looks like a great plane for an outrageous price with piston engines. I don't blame the company: I blame the system.YMMV