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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand  Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 11:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cost. The PL stuff just costs too much and makes the retail price of the airplane too high.
However, Collins could easily change that, if they simply change their pricing. But apparently they won't, so, as seems to be the pattern of things, Garmin will continue to eat their lunch, they will go out of business as a viable option, then not too long after the Garmin equipment will begin to cost more too. This isn't a good enough reason. It's not just cost. Your reason implies the Gamin is inferior and costs less. That's not the case. It's better and costs less.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 11:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Gorgeous new airplane, Luke!
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 11:14 |
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The G1000 controls the pressurization in the TBM 900 also. Username Protected wrote: I see our guys calculate their various speeds on the g1000 all the time in our phenom.... Also I seem to remember the pressurisation being worked into the G1000 in the Phenom. The g1000 in the Phenom is very integrated. As far as I know it cannot build/fly a hold at a waypoint. But easy enough to do and fly manually.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 12:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cost. The PL stuff just costs too much and makes the retail price of the airplane too high.
However, Collins could easily change that, if they simply change their pricing. But apparently they won't, so, as seems to be the pattern of things, Garmin will continue to eat their lunch, they will go out of business as a viable option, then not too long after the Garmin equipment will begin to cost more too. This isn't a good enough reason. It's not just cost. Your reason implies the Gamin is inferior and costs less. That's not the case. It's better and costs less.
jason how much Proline 21 time do you have
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 27 Jul 2014, 13:08 |
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Username Protected wrote:
jason how much Proline 21 time do you have
I flew a CJ once and was like WTF? Then I ran home to momma  It doesn't matter what my experience with the system is. What matters is the "market" and what it's supporting right now. Of course I could buy a CJ and go learn Proline but why bother when the future is Garmin. It's a great time to wait for a Garmin jet on the used market. So many new ones coming out.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 04:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: People who have generally flown Garmin prefer Garmin. No surprise. People who fly both, and who fly full-blown SID-Airway-STAR-Approach IFR all the time tend to have more of a mix of views.
Then why aren't manufacturers building with PL21 anymore? I don't think you've seen the latest Garmin stuff. Also, it's not just about how it functions while flying. It shouldn't take 10 minutes for the avionics in my airplane to boot up. A data upload shouldn't take an hour and require being able to write code.
Because PL21 is overall inferior from the point of view of the purchase decision maker.
You keep asking me questions as if I'd written "PL21 is better than Garmin". I haven't. I agree with all the points you make.
I am making a specific point about the logic and function of the FMS engine. PL21 has a full featured multi-sensor FMS. Garmin doesn't. In that respect, and that respect only, PL21 has an advantage over Garmin.
I am not claiming that this specific advantage makes it "better" overall than Garmin or that the market is "wrong".
I am just pointing out that for some pilots, despite the "overall" superiority of Garmin, there is a specific advantage to the PL21. This advantage is at its clearest in the comparison of PL21 vs first-gen turbine G1000 (eg. in the Mustang). Garmin have been closing the gap slowly with different iterations of the G1000 in different airframes. Baro-VNAV in the King Air retrofit is an example.
I have now answered your question 5 times. Hope that is clear.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 05:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: You keep asking me questions as if I'd written "PL21 is better than Garmin". I haven't. Yes you have
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 11:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Over the weekend I saw a new Cessna Citation X, and a Sovereign.....both with Garmin 5000 systems. Collins may have priced itself out... I was right seating in a CJ-4 with PL 21, I need to catch a trip in a Garmin plane to compare. $100 says Collins and Honeywell have never heard of Garmin.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 11:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: I doubt Honeywell really gives a crap. Think they do all the airlines. From what I've been told it's really a 2 pilot system. And in some ways a lot more capable (probably Cat II and CatIII stuff) That statement right there is what will lead to their demise. "2 pilot system anyways"? That's ridiculous. The airlines are foaming at the mouth to find a way to have 1 pilot or no pilots. Innovate or die. How long til Garmin takes the Boeing biz? I'll bet not long at all.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 11:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: I doubt Honeywell really gives a crap. Think they do all the airlines. From what I've been told it's really a 2 pilot system. And in some ways a lot more capable (probably Cat II and CatIII stuff) That statement right there is what will lead to their demise. "2 pilot system anyways"? That's ridiculous. The airlines are foaming at the mouth to find a way to have 1 pilot or no pilots. Innovate or die. How long til Garmin takes the Boeing biz? I'll bet not long at all.
Spot on. Sit at top resting on your laurels unaware someone is just waiting to take you out. See it in business all the time.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 28 Jul 2014, 14:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: By the way, Ford is better than Chevy. And .40 is better than 9mm Ya but, what about twins and parachutes??? 
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