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 Post subject: Re: Bought It
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2014, 14:01 
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Definitely just ribbing you! ;)

And definitely jealous of your simple, fun airplane. Ever since Adam S got that Citabria...

As for a discussion of "which plane is right for Gene", here are my thoughts.

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10. I could solve a few of these issues with additional instruments, engine monitors, auto pilot, etc... but that would drive up the cost. I also want to be able to afford the plane to a point to where I really don't care what things cost. I want to be able to say, "fix it" and not be a big deal. I am currently looking at starting a business in something that I would enjoy. Still, having additional funds would not address every issue. Perhaps as I get more proficient at my flying and my mission changes something like this would make sense.


See #1 again.

I think you made a great choice, Gene. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Bought It
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A 150 is an excellent choice given the points you list about your mission. My first airplane was a Grumman Cheetah, followed by a C150, followed by a J35 Bonanza, followed by a C150, followed by a homebuilt Zenith 701. The C150 maximizes the fun per dollar. There is nothing like throwing your duffle bag in the back of a 150 and heading out for a long cross country, low and slow and really seeing the country. With the aerobatic capability and the IFR capability you have a lot of fun things that you can do with this airplane.



Hey George, I looked at the Grummans just a bit. I like them and really, I didn't find many planes I didn't like, just ones I didn't want to afford at the moment. LOL

What made you go from one plane to the next ? Mission, adventure ? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bought It
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I thought I would share all the reasons I chose NOT to get a Bonanza at this time and I'll try to list them in order. It isn't just about the money. Note, the planes I was looking at were older 1957 to 1962ish.

1. I am retired and do not want to HAVE go back to work to support owning a plane and I like my stuff in Top Shape. If I do that, some points below would change.

2. My current level of flying experience - getting my instrument rating. I frequently get behind the plane, even in a Cutlass RG. LOL

3. The owner of the plane I looked at pretty much talked me out of his Bonanza, telling me it was a handful single pilot IFR and that he would not fly it for Vacations, which was one of my reasons for looking at the BO (Disney World trips) - this was his opinion, not mine but it caused me to think.

4. Current mission is to fly around and have fun locally most of the time. I simply do not have the mission for a cross country plane that capable. I think of my current Mission as I do my Harley, go out for an evening ride or in nice weather or within a 200 mile radius at most. I will by flying alone or with 1 other person 99% of the time.

5. Purchase Cost (not so much an issue) - I love the low prices but these are complex planes with lots of systems.

6. A&P told me it was not a traffic pattern airplane and if I forget the cowl flaps I'd pretty much toast cylinder.

7. Landing gear up possibilities - it happens. I would turn this into an impossibility with additional fail-safe switches and whatever else I could install. Perhaps an electric shocker to the pilot seat. :D

8. Cost of ownership, insurance, annuals, complex systems. (fuel burn not an issue)

9. Currency and flying proficiency would be more critical to handle this plane well.

10. I could solve a few of these issues with additional instruments, engine monitors, auto pilot, etc... but that would drive up the cost. I also want to be able to afford the plane to a point to where I really don't care what things cost. I want to be able to say, "fix it" and not be a big deal. I am currently looking at starting a business in something that I would enjoy. Still, having additional funds would not address every issue. Perhaps as I get more proficient at my flying and my mission changes something like this would make sense.

So as my first aircraft, I got me a puddle jumper with a little attitude and if the engine goes, I'll just say "fix it". And I can afford to waste money on the panel. Parts are available and pretty cheap I hear tell. The plane is docile, my son can learn to fly in it, it has 2 doors and one can look at the ground easily. I can also "tilt the world a bit" or chose never to do that. I'll also get bounced around and beat up. Gross weight will be an issue at times but never for my wife and I.

Just thought I'd share. One can argue with what I was told but basically, the BO is just too much plane for this ole boy, at present. I shopped diligently and found a great example of the Bonanza I was looking for. (the plane is terrific especially for the money) I made a decision that was mine to make. I chose Not to purchase. (as an aside, this was the first aircraft I ever looked at to purchase but I really found everything I was looking for in it for the money. One could justify NOT buying the first plane one sees) :

The fact that the owner had a sticker on the plane that said, "Dr. Killer" might have influenced me a bit, initially. It did give me pause. I don't think that is the smartest thing to have on a plane. Karma being what Karma is. Again YMMV


Pretty much sums up my reasons for going into a Cherokee (except I am not retired, heavy sigh...)


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 Post subject: Re: Bought It
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A 150 is an excellent choice given the points you list about your mission. My first airplane was a Grumman Cheetah, followed by a C150, followed by a J35 Bonanza, followed by a C150, followed by a homebuilt Zenith 701. The C150 maximizes the fun per dollar. There is nothing like throwing your duffle bag in the back of a 150 and heading out for a long cross country, low and slow and really seeing the country. With the aerobatic capability and the IFR capability you have a lot of fun things that you can do with this airplane.



Hey George, I looked at the Grummans just a bit. I like them and really, I didn't find many planes I didn't like, just ones I didn't want to afford at the moment. LOL

What made you go from one plane to the next ? Mission, adventure ? :D


I went from the Cheetah to the 150 because I thought the Cheetah cost too much to maintain, but it actually was quite cheap to maintain by airplane standards. I just was not acclimated to the costs of airplane ownership yet. I went from the Bonanza to the 150 because I thought the Bonanza was (for me) costing too much to maintain, and in this case I was correct.

I built the Zenith to save money on maintenance, which I did, however that airplane was super slow and I couldn't handle seeing semi's below on the interstate going faster than I was. It was a blast to build however, and I would like to build another homebuilt in the not to distant future.

My second 150 was an instrument trainer and I had a lot of fun shooting instrument approaches when the weather was low. I bought that airplane out in California and flew it home to Wisconsin and that trip was a blast. I did some other long cross countries like that and they are a lot of fun when you are down looking at the landscape.

Your airplane offers all that plus aerobatic capability so you will have a lot of fun with it and it won't cost much to keep.

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 Post subject: Re: Bought It
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True, but don't you plan on flying the wings off of whatever airplane you buy anyway??



Nope, I'm gonna fly the drawers of this baby. LOL

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Hi Gene,

I went through some of the same decision process you went through.

I owned a 1976 Grumman Cheetah with the recently installed new Lycoming HC cylinders (STC). Had her painted 7 years ago. She was in great shape and just needed a new interior. I had been considering Bo's for over 5 years. Got a ride in my friends for a long XC and was convinced that was the airplane for me! Sold the Cheetah after being on the market for 4 months, and started looking. Found one I liked for a decent price, but the title search came back with an issue, so backed out. In the interim, I had some long conversations with my wife and did a lot of soul searching about the type of flying I was going to be doing over the next 10 years while retired. Turns out most of my flying is weekend and the occasional regional (350-500 miles) xc. Given the expense of the Bo, as some will tell you here, be glad if you can keep annuals under $2500, my knowledge of the Grumman's after 14 years of Cheetah ownership, my no %#$@ real flying missions, I decided to purchase a Tiger. 135 kts true, about 15 slower than a Bo on a 350 nom trip, I believe you just can't go wrong with one for the type of flying I am doing. Just got back from a xc for business. 136 nm, flight planned 8 mins slower than the Bo over that range. Not to shabby.


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Hi Gene,

I went through some of the same decision process you went through.


These boards are wonderful for getting real world experience and information. I like the personality of this board and the willingness to share the great diversity of experience. :cheers:

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:thumbup: Mags are installed. Delmar is good to fly to his new home. Planning for to get him home in about 10 days.

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:thumbup: Mags are installed. Delmar is good to fly to his new home. Planning for to get him home in about 10 days.


A male name for an airplane .. Careful..


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Congrats! I still talk about the fun I had 5 years ago in the C150. Great airplane! Enjoy! :thumbup:


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:thumbup: Mags are installed. Delmar is good to fly to his new home. Planning for to get him home in about 10 days.


A male name for an airplane .. Careful..


I kind of like the name Delmar, for a 150. It conjures up the picture of the little guy from the recent Disney movie. :thumbup:

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I named my Race Bike "SWOOP" but somehow "SWOOP" just doesn't seem to fit the 150... even an aerobat.

The name "Delmar" sounds friendly... like a good companion.

I suggest watching the movie, to see the qualities to which I refer. LOL

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Definitely just ribbing you! ;)


3. The owner of the plane I looked at pretty much talked me out of his Bonanza, telling me it was a handful single pilot IFR and that he would not fly it for Vacations, which was one of my reasons for looking at the BO (Disney World trips) - this was his opinion, not mine but it caused me to think.



Hmmm. In many yr. of flying Bonanzas in IMC, I have never thought the planes other than great instrument-flying machines. No idea where the owner got this idea. All my IFR/IMC Bonanza flying has been single-pilot except for perhaps a half-dozen hours when I had another pilot along, riding up front but not because assistance was needed.


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I think the challenge is in fitting the airplane to your mission.

I bought my Tiger back in March, but still look at Bo's. I would really like a Bo, BUT, for the type of flying I am going to do, the associated cost of ownership I just could not justify. Most of my flying is local weekend, with the occasional cross country of 400-500 miles. I have flown the Bo and it is really easy to fly and a nice flying machine. Boy, I would like to own one, BUT. So, I look and lust, and am happy to have what I have. Maybe one day. :cheers:

What is interesting, and this is just my observation, is that there seems to be three types of Bo owners. The guy in his 60's who has owned forever, they guy who's business requires a lot of traveling, and the guy in his 30's who will own it and fly it for the next 25 years.

I guess I am not one of them..... :sad: :)


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What is interesting, and this is just my observation, is that there seems to be three types of Bo owners. The guy in his 60's who has owned forever, they guy who's business requires a lot of traveling

I'm in my (very!) early sixties, bought my Bo 20 months ago, my first plane ever, can't use it for business and plan to keep it until I can't fly it anymore.....
Flying 175+ hrs per year so far.
Pancake breakfasts, short cross countries,long cross countries, VFR, IMC, rain and snow but stay away from ice....can't think of a better plane for me.

However, you are going to have a blast with your new baby.
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