Our electricity is cheap here because of nuclear power from AEP. The two clean plants on 650 acres service over 1.5 MILLION homes. My cousin is a lead controller in the control room. He has a great job and the plant is spotless.

Of course. You don't buy a Porche or a BMW to save money over a Hyundai either. Who the heck wants to roll in a Hyundai or a Chevy Cruz? The Telsa is in another league altogether.

To sum this all up.

When Teslas have the range and carrying capacity of a 421 they will make sense and when a 421 has the efficiency of a Tesla it will make sense. Until then, a Duke is a better value and so is an Equus.

Don't blame the power companies for energy policy

Adam,

Go drive a new ZO6 Vette and then go drive a Tesla. The Vette will smoke the Tesla and is a better car with a better warranty. It can be repaired anywhere and can be filled up in 10 minutes.

Go drive the Hyundai Equus and use it like the majority of drivers would. Do the same with the Tesla. There is no comparison.

The people buying the Tesla are the same people that bought the LED display watches for $300 back in the 1970s. The guy that bought the time-tested Timex for $19.95 still has a watch that works. The guy that bought the Rolex for $300 has a watch that is worth $1,000. The guy that bought the LED watch has a watch that can be replaced for $1.99 out of gumball machine. The Tesla is 10-20 years too early. It is a $40-$50k car max.

Todd/Doug, I will agree that wind has some drawbacks as well as being an eye sore and some detriment to birds.

Solar has come a seriously long way. You don't need pure sun to make them work.

To comment on the a/c draw on the Tesla, I believe it's about 1.8KW. You'd be able to sit out there in your traffic jam for practically the whole day, cool as a cucumber, burning nothing but kilojoules.

Doug hit the nail on the head. We have to have a true energy plan and not one that is subservient to either the gubermint or special interests. I'm in FL so I know all too well the FPL. In the summer the A/C is always on.

The key factor is that energy consumption drives production. Generating your own energy is becoming much, much easier and less costly to do.

My point with an electric car is that you can choose where you get your energy. With a gasoline powered vehicle I cannot. Subsidies both direct and indirect are incredibly big when you talk about oil. Direct subsidies to the oil companies are huge. The indirect subsidies (ie war, threats, protection of pipelines) are incredibly, incredibly high.

When the consumer becomes the decision maker it affects a ton of things. sometimes good, sometimes bad.

In this case, I believe it's a good thing. Battery technology is getting better and better and the per unit prices of cars will come down.

and Doug.....who exactly are the greenies?

You cannot choose your power if you want to travel in the car. Drive your new Tesla from Lauderdale to Atlanta. How long will that trip take? Where you going to charge and at what rate?

I'm with you bro on the FL power thing. I will have as many panels as possible on my new home. I might even have an electric car if it is priced right, but it won't be a performance car. I want to hear my fast car run just like I want to hear my Glasair growl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOqWlOrlkIg

The Tesla is a lot faster than most people think and can carry the family to dinner afterwards.

Todd,

I have driven both. The Tesla roadster and the Z06 Vette. The Roadster is faster everywhere except the drag strip. The reaction time of electric motors beats the gas engine every time. I have also driven an acquaintances model S, and many models of Benz and BMW as sales guys try and convince me to upgrade (good way to waste time while waiting for normal service, I do tell the sales guys upfront I am wasting time but they still try). Guess what, the model S is very comparable in quality and comfort to a E550 or a BMW 7 series. The Equus, is a POS in comparison. And the buyer of the Equus is not the target market for Tesla.

Based on previous comments, you would not buy a new Cirrus or new Bonanza or a new whatever. You always compare to the used marketplace and think anyone who buys news is an idiot (exaggeration on my part). I am just thankful there are people willing to buy new so I can buy used.

Tim

Plus the Vette burns as much fuel as a Duke, and if we've established one thing in this thread, it's that Duke's are pigs and don't run LOP.

I'd never drive to Atlanta, I'm on the Doug plan. if I can fly there, then I'm flying. But let's just say I gotta drive. I'm gonna plug in the baby in the evening. Set my alarm for my drive commute to Atlanta, home of the Herron Chase, Herron Lake, Herron Oaks subdivisions, next to a Kroger and a Home Depot.

If I strictly want superchargers I pull up my friendly app in the car OR i review the map online. You can do both

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

170 miles in 30 minutes, so I'll have to do that at least twice depending on cruise speed. Very easily doable now. I normally stop every 3 hours to take a pee. Will do that whilst my car charges (for free) and grab a cup of coffee.

Now that Chevy may be a nice loud fast car, but the this little guy will whip it's ass on a quarter mile. In fact it will humble that mighty stringray.

http://wrightspeed.com/about/x1/

Todd, hate to say it, but you gonna be driving a clown car too shortly. Now if you still want me to get dem cowboy boots and come up to Indy to drive the Z06, let me know.

I'm afraid the one car you cannot knock is the Tesla S. I hip with the vette. It's old school cool. Now the Hyundai Enuss......as an All American gasoline guzzling motorhead, you should be ashamed of yourself.

reminds me of this scene, except exchange knife with car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWl8EbNN8NM

And I counted 7 Teslas on the way home (2miles ) from picking my daughter up from piano lessons this afternoon.

They sure a popular around here.

Rocky

[quote="Rocky Hill"]And I counted 7 Teslas on the way home (2miles ) from picking my daughter up from piano lessons this afternoon.

They sure a popular around here.

Rocky[/quote


Rocky you live in the center of the Tesla universe, Silicon Valley .

Todd,

I have driven both. The Tesla roadster and the Z06 Vette. The Roadster is faster everywhere except the drag strip. The reaction time of electric motors beats the gas engine every time. I have also driven an acquaintances model S, and many models of Benz and BMW as sales guys try and convince me to upgrade (good way to waste time while waiting for normal service, I do tell the sales guys upfront I am wasting time but they still try). Guess what, the model S is very comparable in quality and comfort to a E550 or a BMW 7 series. The Equus, is a POS in comparison. And the buyer of the Equus is not the target market for Tesla.

Based on previous comments, you would not buy a new Cirrus or new Bonanza or a new whatever. You always compare to the used marketplace and think anyone who buys news is an idiot (exaggeration on my part). I am just thankful there are people willing to buy new so I can buy used.

Tim

Todd,

Where do you drive faster then 125 MPH? I sure do not drive that fast on public roads where I drive my car.

As I said, outside of a drag strip the Tesla will beat the crap off the Z06 in the city streets. For a good 90% of the US population Tesla will meet the daily driving requirements. Probably between 2-4% of the population can afford it, the same group buying MB, BMW, Audi....

Tim