BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:18

Does the 900 have trailing link gear? FADEC?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:19

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SOCATA will sell a bunch of TBM900s. Cirrus will sell a bunch of Visions. Both will be revolutionary and both will offer another great option in this category. Exciting times...

I am looking forward to 20 years from now when there will be a bunch of depreciated TBMs and Vision jets on the market. I hope we dont run out of crude to cook into middle distillates until then

(if we do, we'll have to fly on algae-oil or chicken renderings by then).

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:20

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Curious........ What's everyone's opinion on what this will do to the current price of TBM's on the used market? 700's A, B, C2, 850 legacy' and 850 G1000?

I don't think it will have much of an impact. The price differential is pretty significant. If anything knowing that Socata is going to continue to develop the product should help keep used prices more stable. I hope I am wrong...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:20

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Curious........ What's everyone's opinion on what this will do to the current price of TBM's on the used market? 700's A, B, C2, 850 legacy' and 850 G1000?

I dont think it will do much to the earlier models (up to the C2). Once they start becoming available at the dealers the most recent 850s may feel it.

Someone who can spend a 1.2-2 on 700 is not in the market for a new plane for almost 4 (maybe in the market for a newer Meridian in the low 2s).

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:25

It wont change much as these new TBM 900 are $3.7m.
Thats why the C2 market is staying strong at $1.5-1.6m for the same payload with 15-20 kts slower cruise.
It will probably put more 850 on the market as some owners will upgrade to the newest.

Username Protected wrote:

Curious........ What's everyone's opinion on what this will do to the current price of TBM's on the used market? 700's A, B, C2, 850 legacy' and 850 G1000?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:29

No trailing gear and no Fadec.
There is a semi auto start, not sure what that means but I heard it stops the starter after 30 secs. Not sure again if it cuts the fuel before you overtemps.

Username Protected wrote:

Does the 900 have trailing link gear? FADEC?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:32

Username Protected wrote:

Does the 900 have trailing link gear? FADEC?

No FADEC, same trunnions. About the only change on MLG's is an extra gear door closeout panel to cover wheel/tire assembly for reduced drag, but still no FADEC. As you see in the pictures, the pedestal is redesigned offering an almost fool proof start up sequence, "h" pattern throttle quadrant with no individual prop control lever. Very neat indeed. And, with the 300 amp starter and new power box, they are stating 18 to 19 second starts. Much shorter than previous models. The battery will now be tied when using a GPU, so you will have the GPU plus the battery amps as extra capacity for fast, cool starts!

:dancing:

edit: Also trailing link wouldn't make sense to me, since the TBM can land pretty slow. It would be pretty cool though, maybe the next version :shrug:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:40

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No trailing gear and no Fadec.
There is a semi auto start, not sure what that means but I heard it stops the starter after 30 secs. Not sure again if it cuts the fuel before you overtemps.

Marc,

Perhaps you're referring to the new 300amp vs older 200amp starter/generator. It reduces start times to 30 seconds (half that with a GPU) and automatically shuts down when Ng reaches 50%.

I think there is also a single lever control, the prop is auto controlled to run at 2000.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:45

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I also work on Cirrus' and Meridians, we are a service center for Piper, Cirrus, and distributor for Socata, and we are a service center for Honda Jet, whenever they decide to let us work on some. I can't talk down about the Cirrus or Meridian, but as far as maintenance is concerned, neither hold up to the TBM. The TBM is way out in front as far as ease of maintenance. The french got this airframe right! They all have their special fit for each person, its really just what is right for you.

:woot:

If you're eager to get your hands on a Honda Jet, get to know Jason. He's developed a close relationship with those guys. (Notice the Honda Jet in his avatar)

Username Protected · **Posted:** 12 Mar 2014, 23:55

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]If you're eager to get your hands on a Honda Jet, get to know Jason. He's developed a close relationship with those guys. (Notice the Honda Jet in his avatar)

Yeah, they love me over at Honda.

Doesn't matter with this TBM 900 and maybe you guys are right on the Cirrus Jet. Either way, with the Cirrus Jet and this TBM you're really stacking the marketplace with ridiculously fast and efficient, easy to fly airplanes. There's lot's of innovation going on in GA. The only thing left is to get these things to fly themselves. This is a great time to be in GA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Mar 2014, 00:14

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]If you're eager to get your hands on a Honda Jet, get to know Jason. He's developed a close relationship with those guys. (Notice the Honda Jet in his avatar)

Yeah, they love me over at Honda.

Doesn't matter with this TBM 900 and maybe you guys are right on the Cirrus Jet. Either way, with the Cirrus Jet and this TBM you're really stacking the marketplace with ridiculously fast and efficient, easy to fly airplanes. There's lot's of innovation going on in GA. The only thing left is to get these things to fly themselves. This is a great time to be in GA.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Mar 2014, 00:24

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Doesn't matter with this TBM 900 and maybe you guys are right on the Cirrus Jet. Either way, with the Cirrus Jet and this TBM you're really stacking the marketplace with ridiculously fast and efficient, easy to fly airplanes. There's lot's of innovation going on in GA. The only thing left is to get these things to fly themselves. This is a great time to be in GA.

It is certainly true that innovation is taking place in GA. The Cirrus Jet and TBM 900 appear to be efficient and designed to be easy to fly.
What is missing is this equation is the cost parameter: could a manufacturer deliver ease and efficiency at an "affordable" price?
I realize that affordable is a relative term. If a manufacturer could use cheap labor (China) using reliable design (a la Apple: designed in California, built using cheap labor in China), why can't such an airframe be produced for a more attractive (i.e. much lower) price? :scratch:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Mar 2014, 00:24

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I work for Cutter in San Antonio, TX.

Will,
Tell Crockett and Delawyer that I am stopping by at the end of March to visit them at SAT, and I expect them to roll out the red carpet...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 Mar 2014, 00:27

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]If you're eager to get your hands on a Honda Jet, get to know Jason. He's developed a close relationship with those guys. (Notice the Honda Jet in his avatar)

Yeah, they love me over at Honda.

Doesn't matter with this TBM 900 and maybe you guys are right on the Cirrus Jet. Either way, with the Cirrus Jet and this TBM you're really stacking the marketplace with ridiculously fast and efficient, easy to fly airplanes. There's lot's of innovation going on in GA. The only thing left is to get these things to fly themselves. This is a great time to be in GA.