Being actually available is a pretty important distinction...

Here is the chart for the 700. Roughly 240 kts at 38 gph.



I just read through this thread after reading the AOPA article on the TBM 900. This TP is way out of my price range but you have to love the efficiency of 37 GPH for "long range" cruise. That's what my Bonanza burns during a climb.

By the way, what TAS would long range cruise be for a TBM?

Wasn't that with VFR reserves? Do you fly VFR at FL280?
Neat trick if you can do it.

Hey,

Eclipse began deliveries of the EA550 today too!

First Eclipse 550 delivered

Wasn't that with VFR reserves? Do you fly VFR at FL280?
Neat trick if you can do it.

As you have pointed out
- the TBM is "a propeller plane"
- the jet is a jet

Cirrus' market is all about perception and not reality. Guys who want to fly a jet. Guys whose wives want a jet. Guys who want to seen in front of a jet.

Just think how much cooler
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/img/eb98/JJ/3377l.jpg
would look with a JET in the picture.

Not at twice the price. Cirrus still has plenty of room, so does the Meridian.

Tim

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Would love to hear more about your experience with the TBM will. What else can you share?[/quote]


I am not sure what can really talk about right now. I had to sign a none disclosure agreement from Socata. I have only been commenting on what has already been in postings. I think I can say anything now, but I will make sure from Socata tomorrow and then post more as required. Somebody wrote a long list of stuff in a previous post, but there are many other items not listed there, mostly that concern maintenance. This will be the most mechanic friendly TBM yet, and that pays the customer in reduced operation cost. The are a lot of neat trouble shooting aids that are built into components that will make it very easy to pinpoint failures quickly during troubleshooting. Moe to come guys

Not at twice the price. Cirrus still has plenty of room, so does the Meridian.

Tim

I don't agree. There's room for both, IMO. A jet will never match the efficiency of a turboprop. It's all a matter of physics. Higher efficiency is achieved by moving a larger volume of air just slightly faster than the airplane is moving. A jet (even a high bypass turbofan) is never going to move a bigger volume of air than a turboprop, at least in this category of aircraft.

However, the Cirrus will have a lower price point, appeal as a logical step up to the 5,000+ current SRXX owners, have a wider, more configurable cabin and at the end of the day, be a JET. It will not beat the efficiency of the TBM, nor have near the range. However, it will be a JET. For many, that fact alone has enormous appeal, given the quieter cabin and appeal of a jet vs a prop. It will also have a chute which will continue to be a factor for many, especially those who are stepping up from a Cirrus.

SOCATA will sell a bunch of TBM900s. Cirrus will sell a bunch of Visions. Both will be revolutionary and both will offer another great option in this category. Exciting times...

50% bonus depreciation is more relevant in this discussion.
You never know, these expired tax incentives may just be resurrected...

Senate Finance Chairman Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) is eyeing a spring vote on a string of expired tax provisions, according to a spokeswoman.

Wyden as made the provisions, collectively known as tax extenders, one of his top priorities since taking over for former Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.).
A spokeswoman for Wyden, Lindsey Held, said that Wyden was still discussing with Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah), the top Republican on the Finance Committee, and other committee members how to best proceed on the more than 50 tax breaks that expired at the end of last year.

Wyden has long supported tax breaks for alternative energy, and said that Congress should move on extenders given the long odds facing tax reform. Top Senate Democrats have made the extenders a priority as well.

“I am not going to sacrifice important matters like research and development and innovation on the altar of perhaps some inaction on comprehensive reform,” Wyden said on “Bloomberg Television” this month.

Still, it’s unsure how many of the tax breaks will survive, or how House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) will handle extenders, given his focus on tax reform.

Hatch has said he wants the committee to examine the list of tax breaks, after an extenders bill he and Baucus crafted in 2012 let some provisions expire for good.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/d ... Ww.twitter#ixzz2vo8r4uqH

I don't agree. There's room for both, IMO. A jet will never match the efficiency of a turboprop. It's all a matter of physics. Higher efficiency is achieved by moving a larger volume of air just slightly faster than the airplane is moving. A jet (even a high bypass turbofan) is never going to move a bigger volume of air than a turboprop, at least in this category of aircraft.

However, the Cirrus will have a lower price point, appeal as a logical step up to the 5,000+ current SRXX owners, have a wider, more configurable cabin and at the end of the day, be a JET. It will not beat the efficiency of the TBM, nor have near the range. However, it will be a JET. For many, that fact alone has enormous appeal, given the quieter cabin and appeal of a jet vs a prop. It will also have a chute which will continue to be a factor for many, especially those who are stepping up from a Cirrus.

SOCATA will sell a bunch of TBM900s. Cirrus will sell a bunch of Visions. Both will be revolutionary and both will offer another great option in this category. Exciting times...

I am looking forward to 20 years from now when there will be a bunch of depreciated TBMs and Vision jets on the market. I hope we dont run out of crude to cook into middle distillates until then (if we do, we'll have to fly on algae-oil or chicken renderings by then).

Curious........ What's everyone's opinion on what this will do to the current price of TBM's on the used market? 700's A, B, C2, 850 legacy' and 850 G1000?

I don't think so. For one thing Cirrus supposedly has 500 deposits of $50-$100,000. Some will walk away from that perhaps but not many. Plus, the Cirrus is a jet and for some people that trumps everything. Then there is the issue of money. It's not close. Finally, if there is such a thing as mass marketing in high end aviation Cirrus has that figured out. TBM takes a different approach and limits their production.

As I look out a few years I still think I'd rather have a used TBM than a new Vision Jet. I'd rather have a new TBM than a new Vision Jet too but there is a money limit to everything.