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 Post subject: Cessna Mustang Maintenance Schedule
PostPosted: 26 Feb 2014, 23:11 
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Looking for a maintenance schedule for a Cessna Mustang. Trying to understand the difference between low utilization of Mustang vs KA200.

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If you get it figured out, please post your thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna Mustang Maintenance Schedule
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Define low utilization.

One thing to keep in mind is protech lite, which covers labor for all scheduled mx is something like 13k a year and assumes 150 hours a year of use. That is service center pricing so keep that in mind.

I'll try to dig up some more stuff, but it will be later this week.

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna Mustang Maintenance Schedule
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Define low utilization.

One thing to keep in mind is protech lite, which covers labor for all scheduled mx is something like 13k a year and assumes 150 hours a year of use. That is service center pricing so keep that in mind.

I'll try to dig up some more stuff, but it will be later this week.


About 120 to 150 hours per year.


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I have heard that somebody sells a Maintenance Program for the Cessna 500s that moves almost all maintenance items from calendar to hourly. A huge benefit for low utilization operators... Anyone else heard about this or know who it is?

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 Post subject: Re: Cessna Mustang Maintenance Schedule
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About 120 to 150 hours per year.


That represents very different mileage in a KA compared to a Mustang. Do you have a defined mission that will be a fairly fixed nm/year regardless of type or do you expect the mileage to expand if you get a jet?

150 hrs KA vs 100 hrs mustang may be a different answer than 125 hours KA vs. 125 mustang.


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I have heard that somebody sells a Maintenance Program for the Cessna 500s that moves almost all maintenance items from calendar to hourly. A huge benefit for low utilization operators... Anyone else heard about this or know who it is?


Friendly comment...the term "Cessna 500s" is kinda vague, and can be confusing. There is a lot of difference between a Cessna 500/501 Citation 1/SP, Cessna 510 Mustang, Cessna 525 CJ, etc.

So the program you speak of may only apply to certain models.

Now hopefully someone smarter than I can answer your question. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna Mustang Maintenance Schedule
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150 hours per year is pretty standard in the mustang world. The 500s are not the 510 mustang. I do not know if there is a low utilization schedule yet, but I bet you could get cessna to give you 100-125 hours on the programs if you pushed it.

Really, the maintenance labor costs and inspections are pretty good on the mustang and drastically different than the earlier 500 series (500-560) and even the CJ. It was built for use you discuss.

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I have heard that somebody sells a Maintenance Program for the Cessna 500s that moves almost all maintenance items from calendar to hourly. A huge benefit for low utilization operators... Anyone else heard about this or know who it is?


Low Utilization, Individual Inspection Programs for
Citations 500/501, 550/551 and S550:

Advantages:
Significantly reduces operating costs
Extends the expensive Phase 5 inspection calendar deadline from every 3 years to every 6 years
Extends the 1, 2, 3 & 4 Phase inspections calendar deadlines from every 2 years to every 3 years
FAA 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Program
Organizes inspections, creating a more logical, efficient, cost effective Inspection Program
Less down time
The owner or his designee is the program manager.
The Individual Inspection Program is for your one aircraft, not the whole fleet.
Freezes your inspection program, making your program not vulnerable to additional inappropriate inspections.
Continued CESCOM tracking

Requirements:
Less than 150 hours per year anticipated usage
Hangared
Pass a non-invasive corrosion inspection

Experience:
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully completed thirty-one (31) 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs, from Nineteen (19) different FSDOs.
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully completed eight (8) 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs for Citations, with eight (8) additional 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs currently in various stages of completion.
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully obtained Individual Inspection Programs for N-numbered aircraft operating in Europe.


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Allen, great facts. any more, how about a Phenom 100 or M2?

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Allen, great facts. any more, how about a Phenom 100 or M2?

I'm sure that guy could help you put together a maintenance program compliant with 91.409(f)4 for most airplanes with enough time and money invested. He had one put together for Cessna 441 Conquest IIs too, for example.

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Allen, great facts. any more, how about a Phenom 100 or M2?


From what I heard the Phenom 100 may not benefit from it. I have read that Bacon is busy with the models he has templates for. If things slow down he will look at the 510 and 525 (M2).

There are some downsides to what he does. You lock in a maintenance program and become the program manager to the FAA. This replaces following Cessna's program. If Cessna makes changes to their maintenance program it would not apply to your frozen program. This may be the preferred approach for older legacy types but I am not sure I want that for a type still being manufactured or an aircraft still under warranty like the Phenom 100 or M2.

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Isn't the phenom program entirely hour based (no calendar limits)?


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Phenoms get an "annual" just like a Bonanza.


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Yes, this is the one I heard about... Thanks Allen

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I have heard that somebody sells a Maintenance Program for the Cessna 500s that moves almost all maintenance items from calendar to hourly. A huge benefit for low utilization operators... Anyone else heard about this or know who it is?


Low Utilization, Individual Inspection Programs for
Citations 500/501, 550/551 and S550:

Advantages:
Significantly reduces operating costs
Extends the expensive Phase 5 inspection calendar deadline from every 3 years to every 6 years
Extends the 1, 2, 3 & 4 Phase inspections calendar deadlines from every 2 years to every 3 years
FAA 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Program
Organizes inspections, creating a more logical, efficient, cost effective Inspection Program
Less down time
The owner or his designee is the program manager.
The Individual Inspection Program is for your one aircraft, not the whole fleet.
Freezes your inspection program, making your program not vulnerable to additional inappropriate inspections.
Continued CESCOM tracking

Requirements:
Less than 150 hours per year anticipated usage
Hangared
Pass a non-invasive corrosion inspection

Experience:
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully completed thirty-one (31) 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs, from Nineteen (19) different FSDOs.
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully completed eight (8) 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs for Citations, with eight (8) additional 91.409(f)(4) Inspection Programs currently in various stages of completion.
Aviation Consultant, LLC has successfully obtained Individual Inspection Programs for N-numbered aircraft operating in Europe.


Richard Bacon
Aviation Consultant, LLC
1268 Northridge Court
Golden, CO 80401
303-601-9634
richard.bacon@comcast.net

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