BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 15:05

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Threads like these need to be banned...... I am in enough trouble as it is.... :peace:

EDIT: Right after posting this I was on Trade a plane looking at Cubs.... YES, This thread needs to be banned !!!!!! :doh:

I'm right there with ya, Babar. :bud:

I keep looking more and more at Cubs. Do I need one? No. Do I want one? YES!
Now to convince the accountant. :pray:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 15:44

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Fred, it's a scam. A brilliant scam. By reg a CC is really a one person airplane. However it's the same airplane as the non LSA plane. The CC weighs about 900 pounds empty. The average 200 pound guy and a full tank leaves 70 pounds for your passenger. Suffice it to say that every CC routinely flys overgross.

I wouldn't call it a scam, but it is brilliant. My hat's off to Cubcrafters for exploring the boundaries of the FAA's arcane certification regulations.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 16:31

I had the first cub crafter service center and got the chance to fly a carbon cub. It's a kick butt plane to fly. The only cooler plane I have flown are the Extra 300s.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 19:23

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I had the first cub crafter service center and got the chance to fly a carbon cub. It's a kick butt plane to fly. The only cooler plane I have flown are the Extra 300s.

I've flown a fair number of airplanes (sadly, not the Extra 300), but my Cub is the best. I was out this afternoon puttering around in it over St. George Island, Dog Island...etc. I was so tempted to drop on the beach (abandoned) and go exploring. I need to go walk the beaches first, tho.

Or get floats...which really call me.

But it works pretty good just as it is! And my wife (in one flight) and a neighbor (another flight) agree.

Jim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 19:45

The CC seems to me to be a screaming opportunity for the FAA to do something to promote aviation. Why not have a dual certificate? Some Cessnas are permitted at utility weights to do some things and not permitted at normal weights. Why not a dual certificate for the CC:
At full up weights, like the 1750 or so mentioned here, use as a normal category aircraft is permitted, has to be flown by a PP or better, can use the full 180 w/o limit etc etc; at LSA weights, 1320 and below, can be flown as an LSA with all the attendant limits. Same plane, dual cert. Seems to me that would make one plane much more useful, grandpa could fly my plane as an LSA and I can fly it normal category etc. Why not?

RAS

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 19:51

Username Protected wrote:

The CC seems to me to be a screaming opportunity for the FAA to do something to promote aviation. Why not have a dual certificate? Some Cessnas are permitted at utility weights to do some things and not permitted at normal weights. Why not a dual certificate for the CC:
At full up weights, like the 1750 or so mentioned here, use as a normal category aircraft is permitted, has to be flown by a PP or better, can use the full 180 w/o limit etc etc; at LSA weights, 1320 and below, can be flown as an LSA with all the attendant limits. Same plane, dual cert. Seems to me that would make one plane much more useful, grandpa could fly my plane as an LSA and I can fly it normal category etc. Why not?

RAS

Makes too much sense.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 20:22

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I was so tempted to drop on the beach (abandoned) and go exploring. I need to go walk the beaches first, tho.

Or get floats...which really call me.

whispering. . BIGGER TIRES! 29" as a min!
http://www.akbushwheel.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=73

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2013, 20:28

Username Protected wrote:

The CC seems to me to be a screaming opportunity for the FAA to do something to promote aviation. Why not have a dual certificate? Some Cessnas are permitted at utility weights to do some things and not permitted at normal weights. Why not a dual certificate for the CC:
At full up weights, like the 1750 or so mentioned here, use as a normal category aircraft is permitted, has to be flown by a PP or better, can use the full 180 w/o limit etc etc; at LSA weights, 1320 and below, can be flown as an LSA with all the attendant limits. Same plane, dual cert. Seems to me that would make one plane much more useful, grandpa could fly my plane as an LSA and I can fly it normal category etc. Why not?

RAS

Makes too much sense.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 09:17

Username Protected wrote:

The CC seems to me to be a screaming opportunity for the FAA to do something to promote aviation. Why not have a dual certificate? Some Cessnas are permitted at utility weights to do some things and not permitted at normal weights. Why not a dual certificate for the CC:
At full up weights, like the 1750 or so mentioned here, use as a normal category aircraft is permitted, has to be flown by a PP or better, can use the full 180 w/o limit etc etc; at LSA weights, 1320 and below, can be flown as an LSA with all the attendant limits. Same plane, dual cert. Seems to me that would make one plane much more useful, grandpa could fly my plane as an LSA and I can fly it normal category etc. Why not?

RAS

Richard: Complements on a brilliant idea. There is more...since CubCrafters builds SuperCubs in the same facility, they are required to build the Carbon Cub to part 123 standards (they can't use two standards). So, as opposed to most Light Sport operations (not trying to insult other Light Sport airplanes, just stating facts) it would be trivial to continue production as a cerified airplane. I don't know how difficult (expensive) it would be to get the certification.

There have been rumors going around the Carbon Cub community suggesting that there is an active effort to explore just what you suggest. But they are just rumors :shrug:

. The guys at CubCrafters are very closed mouth about their plans in that direction. I got to walk through their "skunkworks" when I got the factory tour, and they said nuttin'.

I wouldn't hate having my gross weight up around 1700 pounds!

By the way...as far as the power limits go, that really isn't an issue. Turns out that MPH/gallons of fuel ratio works out to being pretty good at lower power settings. Cranking the power up makes a helluva lot more noise, but doesn't gain a helluva lot more speed. And of course, uses a helluva lot more gas.

Jim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 09:25

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I was so tempted to drop on the beach (abandoned) and go exploring. I need to go walk the beaches first, tho.

Or get floats...which really call me.

whispering. . BIGGER TIRES! 29" as a min!
http://www.akbushwheel.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=73

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 10:58

The good thing about flying a CC over gross is that you are probably going to land in places where you are not going to bump into a fed.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 11:02

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The good thing about flying a CC over gross is that you are probably going to land in places where you are not going to bump into a fed.

I would NEVER fly an airplane overgross. I'm just big-looking for my weight!

Jim

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 14:26

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...well, and after my wife gets her (ok, our) swimming pool/hot tub, I'm gonna take a hard look at floats.

Jim

WOW - that must be a heck of a pool!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 14:29

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...well, and after my wife gets her (ok, our) swimming pool/hot tub, I'm gonna take a hard look at floats.

Jim

WOW - that must be a heck of a pool!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2013, 14:58

really enjoy how the excellent folks at Cubcrafters have the developed the "Cub Theme" over all those years...and they always have know a thing or two about Cubs...have bought a lot of their PA18 STCs and they all worked without a hitch..

and those new Sportcubs and Carboncubs...well does not get any better than that..

http://www.cubcrafters.com

Cool Carbon Cub