So this Soaring America Corporation is it a chinese Co?

That is what I was guessing, but I'm not sure. It seems to be headed by a Jerry Chen, who was at the Mooney booth at OSH this year as a "director of business development" or similar title. The Corp seems to be based in the LA area and Chen is the principal, and a PhD engineering graduate of USC if google is correct. Beyond that, I have no idea!

It will be glorious to see new Mooneys emerging from the plant in Kerrville!

They have been fixing up the outside of the plant for the last month...I noticed what looked like a new gate and entry way along with paving the road to the plant...I wondered what was going on when things have looked all boarded up for several years...good for them.

My airplane partner on the ramp somewhere in communist China...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N432 ... /KOAK/PHJR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N432 ... /PHJR/NGTA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N432 ... /AYPY/RPLL



Dave

Just curious, why?

Tim

Just curious, why?

Tim

That is cool; a company paid for vacation for a great reason. Although, to be fair I am not really interested in the destination. Enough family has been to China to know I would be on a starvation diet; which might be good for my health....

Tim

That would be the only reason that sole plane is allowed in China. This whole charade is a is a joke. There are less than one hundred GA aircraft in China and most of them are helos flying illegally and the rest are sitting in a barn. There are zero GA airports in China the only one of significance was in Hong Kong and that was closed several years ago and from a country where 80% of the economy is controlled and owned by the PRC, the entire news media is controlled by the PRC, all banks, and they block any and all public talk forums, you tube, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

No financial institution in the world trusts the PRC government to provide any factual financial data, corruption and fraud are out of control and their pillar to the world the high speed rail project was shutdown after a billion dollar fraud was uncovered and who was perpetrating the fraud? Employees and government officials of whom? The PRC. Who funded the rail system? The PRC. Who operated and managed the construction the PRC.

Caterpillar was ripped off for over 700 million in a massive fraud when Cat purchased a Chinese heavy equipment manufacturer in the last year. Everything was fraudulent, the financials, the sales, the inventory, all the numbers where for lack of a better term were ........manufactured. When one of the US's finest companies can be hoodwinked by the Chinese does anybody really think in aviation they are providing anything remotely factual.

Who bought Cirrus, Continental and Superior Air Parts. Avia. Who is Avia controlled by? One guess. If GA is having troubles here in the US in a free and open market does anybody think for a second that China's BS will amount to anything significant in GA?

Gary

That would be the only reason that sole plane is allowed in China. This whole charade is a is a joke. There are less than one hundred GA aircraft in China and most of them are helos flying illegally and the rest are sitting in a barn. There are zero GA airports in China the only one of significance was in Hong Kong and that was closed several years ago and from a country where 80% of the economy is controlled and owned by the PRC, the entire news media is controlled by the PRC, all banks, and they block any and all public talk forums, you tube, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

No financial institution in the world trusts the PRC government to provide any factual financial data, corruption and fraud are out of control and their pillar to the world the high speed rail project was shutdown after a billion dollar fraud was uncovered and who was perpetrating the fraud? Employees and government officials of whom? The PRC. Who funded the rail system? The PRC. Who operated and managed the construction the PRC.

Caterpillar was ripped off for over 700 million in a massive fraud when Cat purchased a Chinese heavy equipment manufacturer in the last year. Everything was fraudulent, the financials, the sales, the inventory, all the numbers where for lack of a better term were ........manufactured. When one of the US's finest companies can be hoodwinked by the Chinese does anybody really think in aviation they are providing anything remotely factual.

Who bought Cirrus, Continental and Superior Air Parts. Avia. Who is Avia controlled by? One guess. If GA is having troubles here in the US in a free and open market does anybody think for a second that China's BS will amount to anything significant in GA?

Gary

My airplane partner sent me this pic and said there were other manufactures at the airshow as well and it sounds like Mooney sold four airplanes there. He also was able to tour one of the general aviation airports that is currently under construction. It certainly looks like the Chinese are moving forward with GA in their country...



Dave

I don't about you guys, but I really like those Chinese chocks.

They are NOT.

This is all for show.

This is from a friend of mine living in Hong Kong and flying a TBM.


Any GA aircraft must stay below 3,000 ft and within 25 miles of the airport.

That is a nation-wide mandatory requirement.

The PLA (military) is still fighting with the Civil Aviation Authority to relinquish control of 90% (that is not a typo) of the Chinese airspace.

The Chinese CAA refused me permission to cross over Chinese territory two years ago because my aircraft (TBM850) is (1) small) and (2) has a propeller (which meant that they did not believe I could fly high and fast.)

If you fly a G-5 with 2 professional pilots (another current requirement of the CAA), you will obtain permission to fly into China only 24 hours in advance even though you must submit your request a minimum of one week in advance.

Penetration of Chinese airspace incurs an automatic $3,000 fee from any aircraft and then a fee of 6 US cents per kilometer + landing fee + handling fee (mandatory) + parking fee (even outside) + whatever other fee the local authority can think of.

The Chinese are buying Mooney, Cirrus, etc to gain the technology and then sell airplanes to Europeans and North Americans.

GA, as you know it, will not happen in China in our lifetime.

Well said Marc. Flying around Hong Kong below 3000 could be detrimental to your long term health. Those mountains look very ominous. The less than 3k is really to allow the helos to operate around HK but I cant imagine that they are allowed into mainland China to operate unless it's for government officials.

The only reason I would imagine you would have TBM in Hong Kong is to fly to another country because you won't be flying it into the mainland. Hong Kong is still a separate territory of China which has its own currency and further requires mainland Chinese citizen to get a visa or work permit to even travel there.

I am not an anti Chinese because like many we see great opportunities there. The Chinese people and their country are wonderful and they love their country as much as we do ours, but much like Americans they also have no faith and trust in their leaders but instead of have free and open discussion like we are having here the PRC blocks all chat or similar free speech and further they control all aspects of the media so very little factual information gets out or is even known. You just hear what the PRC wants you to hear and see.

Sure they will sells some planes in China but Marc is absolutely correct there is no way you will be allowed to fly it anywhere so you can take the family on a joy ride every weekend and be able to tell your neighbors that you own one but in the end the joy rides will stop and your Moonbean will be nothing more than a flowerpot sitting in China's field of dreams.

Gary

I do suspect their goal is not to sell to the Chinese market. Looking at the US and even more likely the rest of the globe. Way easier and cheaper to buy production than to develope or even steal it on your own.