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 Post subject: Re: GA International Travel - Changes are on the way!
PostPosted: 21 Apr 2018, 22:11 
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You are really one BRAVE hombre. Thank you so much for taking this on.
Numerous great suggestions so far, hope some become reality.
My suggestion would be a central email address (or a POE list of same) to enable me to change my POE online. Crossing from B.C. CAN has several unmanned options where a CBP agent must drive from a major airport. Changing your destination on the day of departure requires a telephone call to the new POE and a courtesy call to the CBP office handling the unmanned facility. Having followed this procedure the last 3 times, when WX ceilings dictated a change, all 3 efforts failed to get through to the CBP at the new destination. Each time, the CBP office taking the info seemed to be unaware of the necessary procedure to notify the new CBP destination. Fortunately, I made note of the officers’ ID’s, so no big deal, only gracious apologies.
And EAPIS out should be an OPTION for special situations.
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Why does a taxpaying citizen need to be "brave" to insist on being treated fairly and equally by his government?

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 Post subject: Re: GA International Travel - Changes are on the way!
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Sounds like the same program we have in Canada (Canpass).

I have not seen any custom agent since 2012, I clear customs about 15-20 times a year and I get cleared on the phone.

1888-Canpass all across Canada, you call min 2 hours before your flight and give all your information, AOE, ETA and if you have anything to declare.

Once landed at your AOE, if you dont see a custom agent, you call Canpass and they will clear you over the phone and give you a clearance number.

Great program and very convenient as you can use smaller AOE after hours and weekends at no cost.





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You had a system that worked well in the 1990,s.

GATE. Phone one number in Richmond Cal. Agree on a date, time & location.
Get a GATE approval number. Fly to the agreeded upon Aerodrome, taxi to a painted box usual near the tower & wait until the agreeded upon time. If no customs agent appeard at the time agreed to just taxi on your way! I would always record my GATE approval number in my journey log for future reference.

Worked great. I used this system from Canada many times at a number of different Aerodromes.

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 Post subject: Re: GA International Travel - Changes are on the way!
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my experience with FPR CBP has been good for the 4-5 times I've crossed.

Biggest gripe I have is the glaring inconsistency between "modes." inexcusable that anyone traveling in any different mode is treated differently, and this is antithetical to how the government operates in all other things (fairness).

second issue I have (as others have stated) is wide variability between agents, applying arbitrary rules and being able to threaten a fine (I was told by an agent that every single POE has different rules).

really: you have a guy with a high-school GED and a gun threatening a guy who owns 3 businesses and shows up in a $2M plane with family and passengers because the guy with the gun didn't get the phone call? really?

it is beyond idiotic.

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I second the suggestion to use Mobile Passport. It is an app on your phone, you open the app, take a picture of your passport, the app "grabs" your digits, take a picture of your face, enter your Flight number (tail number), make your customs declarations, and submit. It is used at many airports and Port Everglades for cruise ships.

I've attached a screenshot of the app

Is this valid for foreigner pilot with ESTA.

So far it is only for passengers with USA passports. My recommendation would be to make a similar app for GA and make the boaters use it too!
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my experience with FPR CBP has been good for the 4-5 times I've crossed.

Biggest gripe I have is the glaring inconsistency between "modes." inexcusable that anyone traveling in any different mode is treated differently, and this is antithetical to how the government operates in all other things (fairness).

second issue I have (as others have stated) is wide variability between agents, applying arbitrary rules and being able to threaten a fine (I was told by an agent that every single POE has different rules).

really: you have a guy with a high-school GED and a gun threatening a guy who owns 3 businesses and shows up in a $2M plane with family and passengers because the guy with the gun didn't get the phone call? really?

it is beyond idiotic.


Obviously mistaken for a rich airplane owner:

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/04/2 ... snack.html



For those who haven't been paying attention, we live in a third world banana republic.

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my experience with FPR CBP has been good for the 4-5 times I've crossed.

Biggest gripe I have is the glaring inconsistency between "modes." inexcusable that anyone traveling in any different mode is treated differently, and this is antithetical to how the government operates in all other things (fairness).

second issue I have (as others have stated) is wide variability between agents, applying arbitrary rules and being able to threaten a fine (I was told by an agent that every single POE has different rules).

really: you have a guy with a high-school GED and a gun threatening a guy who owns 3 businesses and shows up in a $2M plane with family and passengers because the guy with the gun didn't get the phone call? really?

it is beyond idiotic.


Obviously mistaken for a rich airplane owner:

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/04/2 ... snack.html



For those who haven't been paying attention, we live in a third world banana republic.


Yep the snack Rule!!! She should have brought it over on a boat.
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Obviously mistaken for a rich airplane owner:

What about all the food left on the airplane when Delta lands?

Does Delta declare that?

If not, hello big fines!

The law will get changed when it hurts the airlines and/or boaters.

Is this a 14th amendment issue regarding equal treatment under the law?

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The law will get changed when it hurts the airlines and/or boaters.

Is this a 14th amendment issue regarding equal treatment under the law?

Mike C.


Interesting point. Perhaps an aviation alphabet group (AOPA?) should get involved with a friend of the court brief (or perhaps feed information to her lawyer) about unequal treatment for aviation vs boaters (regulation vs law). I suspect the boat lobby would be in favor of helping us in order to preserve their treatment.
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Is this a 14th amendment issue regarding equal treatment under the law?

Mike C.

Probably not, because everyone who comes by GA gets treated the same.


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But GA arrivals are treated quite differently when compared to those who arrive in a boat (or a car or a bicycle or on foot..).

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But GA arrivals are treated quite differently when compared to those who arrive in a boat (or a car or a bicycle or on foot..).

Every person arriving by GA is (supposedly) treated the same as every other person arriving by GA. That's equal protection.

You could make an argument that the mode of travel is irrelevant, that every arriving person should be treated the same as every other arriving person, but I doubt that would get very far. We have all kinds of laws that differ according to one's mode of transit. You can smoke in your car, but not an airliner. You can cruise in an airplane without a seatbelt, but not in a car. No one would say seatbelt laws unfairly target drivers of cars and trucks.


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I want to argue - er, I mean discuss - this further over a beer. :thumbup: Did you figure out if you're coming to Knoxville?

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Rick,

I have yet to make the trip south vai GA. But one item I ran into was there is absolutely no central directory of the POEs, hours, location, phone numbers, backup information....
See if they can start thinking about having such a contact list; which is maintained.

Between AOPA, EAA, Baja Pilots, BT and I am sure others; we have a fair number of people who can read the law and the regulations. I have often found that many people believe something is required by law or regulation. However, when you dig into it, this is often not the case. Therefore, if they state something is legally required, see if you can determine where law is making it so, or what regulation....
This may give you an insight into the requirement and ways to meet it.

Last point, A while back, I did some searching. I could never find a legal reason why POE was required from the south, it just seemed like a policy decision, no law or regulation stated it.

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I have yet to make the trip south vai GA. But one item I ran into was there is absolutely no central directory of the POEs, hours, location, phone numbers, backup information....
See if they can start thinking about having such a contact list; which is maintained.

Between AOPA, EAA, Baja Pilots, BT and I am sure others; we have a fair number of people who can read the law and the regulations. I have often found that many people believe something is required by law or regulation. However, when you dig into it, this is often not the case. Therefore, if they state something is legally required, see if you can determine where law is making it so, or what regulation....
This may give you an insight into the requirement and ways to meet it.

Last point, A while back, I did some searching. I could never find a legal reason why POE was required from the south, it just seemed like a policy decision, no law or regulation stated it.

Tim


Thanks Tim, good points.

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I want to argue - er, I mean discuss - this further over a beer. :thumbup: Did you figure out if you're coming to Knoxville?

Yes. I should be there, but I'm not sure what passengers I'll have or when I'll get there. Always happy to discuss things in person with you!


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