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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:02 |
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Joined: 12/30/15 Posts: 1702 Post Likes: +1727 Location: Charlotte
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Username Protected wrote: And the only plane uglier with the gear down than the SR22 is the TTX. -6Well....I disagree and your just and your nanny dressed you funny as a kid I started to say sumpin ugly bout yer Pilatus but , dang, wanna trade is all that pops in me brain I don't really give -1s
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:03 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: And the only plane uglier with the gear down than the SR22 is the TTX. -6Well....I disagree and your just and your nanny dressed you funny as a kid I started to say sumpin ugly bout yer Pilatus but , dang, wanna trade is all that pops in me brain I don't really give -1s Of course the Pilatus is ugly. That's my favorite thing about it. But at least it isn't flying around with the gear hanging down. Ha
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:11 |
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Joined: 01/29/16 Posts: 1338 Post Likes: +1825 Company: RE/MAX at the Lake Location: Mooresville, NC
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Username Protected wrote: Nobody is in the Textron booth looking at the TTX. In fact, the only TTX I saw at Oshkosh was in the Textron display.
I will say that Textron's sales people have been very welcoming, accomodating and helpful when talking about the KA250 and M2. It's obvious that is because it's what they want to sell and see as the future of the their company. I think they long ago gave up on the idea of being really seriously competitive in the higher end SE piston market and their behavior has reflected that. .
This reminds me of the big 3 automakers back in the 80’s. Resting on their market share, ignoring the demands of consumers that allowed competitors to nearly take over the US market.
It seems short sided to abandon the first time plane buyer in hopes of capturing the buyer who is moving up later. That attitude will allow the entry level manufacturer to develop move up aircraft. Brand loyalty, ease of transition, support and training when done properly will keep the move up buyer in-house. Even if Mike C says it won’t work.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:16 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5459 Post Likes: +6172 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
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My comment wasn't a statement on the aircraft per say, but the whole experience. As many have said, Textron either doesnt get it, or doesnt care. A prime example was the new plane 4 years ago. They showed it to us in Kansas, and proudly talked about the new Fadec engine, and the new(B36tc) airframe, then promptly killed the project. It could be done, but they don't care. The new interior in the thread yesterday is prime example. Textron could remarket the G36 with this interior, the new fadec engine, and maybe some new avionics, and possibly recapture some market share. Or do the same with the TTX..... But they have given up.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: My comment wasn't a statement on the aircraft per say, but the whole experience. As many have said, Textron either doesnt get it, or doesnt care. A prime example was the new plane 4 years ago. They showed it to us in Kansas, and proudly talked about the new Fadec engine, and the new(B36tc) airframe, then promptly killed the project. It could be done, but they don't care. The new interior in the thread yesterday is prime example. Textron could remarket the G36 with this interior, the new fadec engine, and maybe some new avionics, and possibly recapture some market share. Or do the same with the TTX..... But they have given up. Textron doesn't care and I wouldn't care either if I were them. The future is JetA. Cirrus created their own SR22 killer with the SF50. Not many companies have that kind of vision.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:35 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26431 Post Likes: +13066 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: When Cirrus starts production on twin engine jets, Textron will see some serious competition. Cirrus never will...... But Pilatus already did as did Embraer.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 12:40 |
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Joined: 07/21/08 Posts: 5459 Post Likes: +6172 Location: Decatur, TX (XA99)
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Username Protected wrote: My comment wasn't a statement on the aircraft per say, but the whole experience. As many have said, Textron either doesnt get it, or doesnt care. A prime example was the new plane 4 years ago. They showed it to us in Kansas, and proudly talked about the new Fadec engine, and the new(B36tc) airframe, then promptly killed the project. It could be done, but they don't care. The new interior in the thread yesterday is prime example. Textron could remarket the G36 with this interior, the new fadec engine, and maybe some new avionics, and possibly recapture some market share. Or do the same with the TTX..... But they have given up. Textron doesn't care and I wouldn't care either if I were them. The future is JetA. Cirrus created their own SR22 killer with the SF50. Not many companies have that kind of vision. Ok then, go read my new thread and tell me what you think...
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 14:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: I started to say sumpin ugly bout yer Pilatus but , dang, wanna trade is all that pops in me brain Lol
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 22 Feb 2018, 18:28 |
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I will support the seals and ducts for this model.. Since 1996 Tooling was free first articles were free The thunderstorm in Bend / hail damage caused the bankruptcy as they were waiting on a avionics supplier to finish certification.. That bankruptcy cost me 186k
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 23 Feb 2018, 20:16 |
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Joined: 05/23/13 Posts: 6784 Post Likes: +7329 Company: Jet Acquisitions Location: Franklin, TN 615-739-9091 chip@jetacq.com
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Username Protected wrote: Shame to see Cessna shut it down. I've had my 2007 Columbia 400 for about a year and a half now. Really great machine and one of the best travelling machines ever. Tooling along at 200kts in the midteens, LOP at 15gph is awesome. Comfortable and quiet and the relatively high wing loading really cuts through turbulence.
I wish Cessna could have figured out how to sell them. Agree with all!!! Especially wishing Cessna could have figured it out. Remember when Lancair had back orders for years?
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Ends TTX Production Posted: 24 Feb 2018, 12:13 |
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Maybe they did quit on it because they knew they couldn’t compete with that airframe. If they revive the Turbo 210, 6 persons with full fuel, cruise in the 20’s with 190 knots speed nobody could touch them.
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