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Post subject: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 07:06 |
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I spend a some of my free time watching flying videos, mostly on Youtube, and once in a while I'll watch a video of a Cirrus flight I've noticed, in the videos, showing the cockpit, the controls, the radio tuning, the ergonomics all seem effortless. Things seem so, within reach. Cirrus guys who have flown in Bos, is it really that much easier to fly a Cirrus?
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 08:54 |
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Matt,
I think you are asking if the SR2x interior ergonomics are more intentionality designed to allow easy access to the necessary controls from the pilot seat. The answer is yes (relative to the BeXX). The "easier to fly" question is debatable. It's also worth noting that the robust Beech Oleo gear has made many poor landings go unnoticed by the pax...
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 09:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: The look is different because there's no yoke in the Cirrus picture, but I don't think my Cirrus was any easier or any more difficult to fly or land than what my Bonanza was.
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 11:57 |
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I truly hate the spring return to center feel of the controls on the Cirrus. Much prefer to feel the actual aerodynamic loads through the flight controls like in a Bonanza.
I felt my Bonanza was easier to land cleanly, but the Cirrus is by no means difficult.
The control layout and ergonomics on the Cirrus are excellent, though.
Nathan
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 12:05 |
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The "stick feel" is different on different model years of Cirrus. Early ones had springs to fight against (see comment above), as I understand it later ones are more conventional. I have a hazy recollection that other changes were made as well. So much like an A35 compared to an S35, the feel will be different from a 2001 SR22 to a 2016 one.
I will say this about things that look "easy" in videos, in many cases it's experience and repetition. That person in the video has the muscle memory. That's true from aviation videos to woodworking videos to home repair videos, to anything else.
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 12:17 |
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I swear I read this thread here on BeechTalk last year.... ....and the year before that.....and the year before that......and.
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 12:20 |
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My first airplane ever when I was 28 years old and 150 hours was a Grumman AA5. Like the Grumman, the worst part is pushing it back into the hangar with the tow bar But once you get the hang of pushing it backwards the rest is easy. Delightful little airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Are Cirruses THAT easy to fly? Posted: 27 Mar 2017, 13:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: The "stick feel" is different on different model years of Cirrus. Early ones had springs to fight against (see comment above), as I understand it later ones are more conventional. Jesse -- No SR20 or 22 made has a conventional flight control system, and that is unlikely to change anytime soon. Beginning with the G3 model, the aileron-rudder interconnect bungee the FAA had required for earlier SR's was removed, which may be what you are referring to. While a relatively minor but welcome slight improvement, that change did not modify the pronounced artificial control feel in the ailerons and elevators due to the Cirrus's unique centering springs in the flight control system. It's why I and other Cirrus pilots fly with the (superb) autopilot engaged at all times except for takeoffs and landings. The springs are essential components, and cannot be removed or modified without a redesign and recertification of the entire Cirrus flight control system. On a positive note, you don't need flight control locks while on the ramp - the springs are stiff enough to keep the ailerons and elevators from moving in any wind while in the chocks.
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