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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 08:26 |
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Joined: 03/22/11 Posts: 292 Post Likes: +35 Location: KTUP Tupelo, MS
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Since you mention a "SUV", watch useful load. I went with the Saratoga for speed. It had AC and only had 1200 useful. Most of the 6's were closer to 1500-1600. The Lance was in between. They did vary so ask when you start your search.
All information above is spot on. My wife was not impressed with the Baron upgrade. All she saw was less room.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 12:19 |
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Joined: 04/16/13 Posts: 2139 Post Likes: +1548 Location: NW Oklahoma (6K4)
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Dang Jason, that's gorgeous. I'm a Cowboys fan from way back in the Staubach days. I left them for quite a few years but I'm coming around with the latest bunch. I'm an OSU grad so that's probably helping. Kenneth and Don, thanks for your hints. I'm thinking like you are, the UL and maintenance simplicity of fixed gear trump the extra 10 knots, which would only be 5 minutes on my normal flights. On the fuel system: The 4 selectable tanks I get (although I don't remember how the return system works). I don't get the dual selector/4 tank setup. Is it 2 tanks per side that feed together and if so, how does fillup work and can you short-load fuel dependably? Lastly, how much UL does A/C cost and how well does it work? Thanks again!
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 12:37 |
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Joined: 03/25/11 Posts: 104 Post Likes: +25
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Username Protected wrote: Dang Jason, that's gorgeous. I'm a Cowboys fan from way back in the Staubach days. I left them for quite a few years but I'm coming around with the latest bunch. I'm an OSU grad so that's probably helping. Kenneth and Don, thanks for your hints. I'm thinking like you are, the UL and maintenance simplicity of fixed gear trump the extra 10 knots, which would only be 5 minutes on my normal flights. On the fuel system: The 4 selectable tanks I get (although I don't remember how the return system works). I don't get the dual selector/4 tank setup. Is it 2 tanks per side that feed together and if so, how does fillup work and can you short-load fuel dependably? Lastly, how much UL does A/C cost and how well does it work? Thanks again! I believe the original 6 had two tanks only in the wings near the root (25gal). Quickly Piper added two tip tanks (17 gal) in the wings too making four. Each has its own fill. POH says burn the mains first and fill the tips first. There is an involved procedure for sumping for water. The Lance (for 6 months known as the Cherokee Six Lance) got stronger wings and joined tanks so no need to drain the mains first or fill the tips first since there is only one fill per side the other spots for fills being replaced by sight glasses (I think). In 1979 the FG Six got the lance wing and the same tanks. In 1980 everything was a Toga with the tapered wing. And there is no return AFAIK.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 18:40 |
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Joined: 01/14/12 Posts: 2070 Post Likes: +1492 Location: Hampton, VA
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I have over a thousand hours flying PA-32s in Alaska back in the 80s. This is the Saratoga I flew (N4375B, 25 years later): https://www.google.com/maps/@64.8089191 ... !2e0?hl=enIt flew a little faster than the Lance, but I didn't like its slow speed handling as much. I could not detect much difference between a 300 HP Cherokee 6 and a 260 model. It may not matter to you but keep in mind the Cherokee 6 has what is effectively a zero fuel weight buried in the POH. I did not fly a T-Tail Lance, but I heard stories from folks who have, who complained that it was tough to get it to pitch up, at low airspeeds, because the thrust from the propeller didn't affect the horizontal stabilizer they way it did on the low tail models. In addition: Unless you are planning on lots of heavy take offs from high-altitude airports, you really don't need a turbo. There is a reason why the T-Tail planes seem like good deals, definitely get a ride in one before committing. Otherwise, the PA-32 is a great airplane. Forrest
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 23:17 |
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Joined: 05/06/13 Posts: 1662 Post Likes: +1021 Location: DeLand, Florida KDED
Aircraft: 1984 A36 (TAT TN)
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Username Protected wrote: Beechtalk rules! I posted a similar query on a leading Brand P forum and after 3 days only 1 rather lame response. Further proof that BT is the pinnacle of aviation forums.
One of the many reasons why I went for an A36, instead of a Saratoga for family flying, when I bought in September. There must be a reason why. For me, an active supportive Brand forum, and society, is important. Having said that, the Pipers do have some real advantages, and may be the best choice for your mission. The family loved the roominess for sure. But...would I go back and trade the A36 for one now...? No way.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 23:27 |
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Joined: 10/04/14 Posts: 490 Post Likes: +113 Company: Take Flight Avaition. Location: Franklin, TN
Aircraft: Piper PA46 Jet Prop
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Username Protected wrote: Beechtalk rules! I posted a similar query on a leading Brand P forum and after 3 days only 1 rather lame response. Further proof that BT is the pinnacle of aviation forums.
One of the many reasons why I went for an A36, instead of a Saratoga for family flying, when I bought in September. There must be a reason why. For me, an active supportive Brand forum, and society, is important. Having said that, the Pipers do have some real advantages, and may be the best choice for your mission. The family loved the roominess for sure. But...would I go back and trade the A36 for one now...? No way.
That is true the Beech Talk Forum and community is far superior to Pipers Owners Society, or Piper Forum. I have really enjoyed this Forum and have learned a ton from it. But the problem is when I am trying to pack my plane with all the junk we need to bring for the kids, with anything other then a Saratoga/6 I would need leave a kid at home, the pack play, etc.... So I continue to fly my Toga and love it, and come here hang with these nice Beech folks for my info and aviation news.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 23:53 |
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Joined: 11/22/10 Posts: 233 Post Likes: +54 Company: Rushing Media Location: Houma, LA
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Username Protected wrote: Beechtalk rules! I posted a similar query on a leading Brand P forum and after 3 days only 1 rather lame response. Further proof that BT is the pinnacle of aviation forums.
One of the many reasons why I went for an A36, instead of a Saratoga for family flying, when I bought in September. There must be a reason why. For me, an active supportive Brand forum, and society, is important. Having said that, the Pipers do have some real advantages, and may be the best choice for your mission. The family loved the roominess for sure. But...would I go back and trade the A36 for one now...? No way.
An active brand forum may be useful for something relatively obscure like a Duke or an Aerostar but something as brick simple as a Cherokee Six? Not relevant.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 20 Nov 2014, 23:54 |
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Joined: 04/16/13 Posts: 2139 Post Likes: +1548 Location: NW Oklahoma (6K4)
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Very true. BT is a great reason to own a Beechcraft. If the A36 checked all the boxes it would be a no-brainer. Thanks for all the input guys. I think I've got a handle on the details and will continue to shop (and try to sell my K35). As always, comments welcome.
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Post subject: Re: Need Advice on PA-32 and PA-32R. Posted: 21 Nov 2014, 18:59 |
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Joined: 12/03/09 Posts: 309 Post Likes: +33
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I have flown a T-tail lance for just over a year now and love it. I have never flown a straight tail model, so I cannot compare, but the T-tail has not adverse affects from my perspective. I fly into a 2600' strip in the summer for golf from time to time and it is no problem with a full plane.
On the performance side, I see around 160 kts true, but I do have the Lopresti Cowl on it. Useful load is 1350.
As for utility, this thing is a beast. This past weekend I hauled 2 large guys, guns, gear, supplies, and 2 field dressed deer back from a hunting trip up north. Cruised back at 10,000 feet with much power to spare. Wonderful machine. Good luck in your search!
Jeff
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