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 Post subject: Better than Giec*, I saved them 2 AMUs
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Had an SR22 in the shop last week.

The issue was the Low volt light was on when it shouldn't have been.
I sent the pictures of the volt and amp display to the tech reps who recommended changing the MCU as they stated the power diode was probably bad.

Well I just had one of those "feelings" that the entire MCU didn't need to be changed at a price of $2100.

I opened the cover and found 2 bad 50 amp midi fuses. I changed them (Yep procedure is in the M/M) Problem fixed.
Midi fuses: $9 each.
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Blown fuses are rarely a root cause...

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I would put copper strips in there instead - problem fixed forever. :D

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I would put copper strips in there instead - problem fixed forever. :D



Well I do have a couple of .22 long rifle but couldn't get them to fit and put the cover back on...

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I would put copper strips in there instead - problem fixed forever. :D



Well I do have a couple of .22 long rifle but couldn't get them to fit and put the cover back on...


that would give a whole new meaning to blowing a fuse?

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What caused 2 50-Amp fuses to blow? That would be my concern.

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I have difficulty simply replacing TWO blown 50AMP fuses without investigating the cause!


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Must be a typo, is that .5 or 5 amps?
50 amps?


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What caused 2 50-Amp fuses to blow? That would be my concern.

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If you'll remember an earlier post this is the same plane that had the flap motor running continuously in flight as it had been improperly rigged.

When flaps were selected to 0 the motor didn't quite get to zero so the motor continued to run.

I am thinking this had something to do with the fuses but time will tell.

It could have also had a GPU connected while the battery was removed during it's recent annual...


...at a different shop.

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I suppose the GPU could be it, but I doubt the flap motor. It draws maybe 10 amps maximum? Figuring the circuit breaker is rated for 10 or 15 amps max it would have tripped well before a 50 AMP main fuse. Even if the flap breaker failed, it would have smoked the wires going to the motor well before the 50 amp fuses blew.

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I suppose the GPU could be it, but I doubt the flap motor. It draws maybe 10 amps maximum? Figuring the circuit breaker is rated for 10 or 15 amps max it would have tripped well before a 50 AMP main fuse. Even if the flap breaker failed, it would have smoked the wires going to the motor well before the 50 amp fuses blew.



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However I have been around these flying contraptions long enough that I have learned never to use the word "never."
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If you'll remember an earlier post this is the same plane that had the flap motor running continuously in flight as it had been improperly rigged.

When flaps were selected to 0 the motor didn't quite get to zero so the motor continued to run.

I am thinking this had something to do with the fuses but time will tell.

It could have also had a GPU connected while the battery was removed during it's recent annual...


...at a different shop.


So you did not make any checks and your troubleshooting mantra is 'time will tell"? That is all the concern for TWO 50 amp Fuses?. Does the aircraft have a vacuum system back up?

from my SR20 manual
"In addition to the individual circuit breakers, 25-amp fuses located on the primary bus in the Master Control Unit (MCU) protect the Main Bus 1, Main Bus 2, and the Non-Essential Bus in the single alternator system. Additionally, the single alternator system uses 15-amp fuses located in the MCU to protect the landing light and standby vacuum pump circuits."

Is it possible as asked earlier they are 15 not 50 amp fuses. Are these not important enough to check for a cause?


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If you'll remember an earlier post this is the same plane that had the flap motor running continuously in flight as it had been improperly rigged.

When flaps were selected to 0 the motor didn't quite get to zero so the motor continued to run.

I am thinking this had something to do with the fuses but time will tell.

It could have also had a GPU connected while the battery was removed during it's recent annual...


...at a different shop.


So you did not make any checks and your troubleshooting mantra is 'time will tell"? That is all the concern for TWO 50 amp Fuses?. Does the aircraft have a vacuum system back up?

from my SR22 manual
"In addition to the individual circuit breakers, 25-amp fuses located on the primary bus in the Master Control Unit (MCU) protect the Main Bus 1, Main Bus 2, and the Non-Essential Bus in the single alternator system. Additionally, the single alternator system uses 15-amp fuses located in the MCU to protect the landing light and standby vacuum pump circuits."

Is it possible as asked earlier they are 15 not 50 amp fuses. Are these not important enough to check for a cause?


Of course I made checks.
I performed a complete MCU operational check when I was finished with no further issues noted.

What are you getting at?
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