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Crap. Just a modified V2. No real new engineering. The video claims Brits invented the Internet and the computer. They invented the Turing machine, and it was a simple mechanical contraption, but first electronic computer was invented in the US. Video claims they invented the Internet too. Bunk. It was originally a DARPA invention funded by US defense budget.

Toss this one away with a pound of salt.

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The video claims Brits invented the Internet and the computer. They invented the Turing machine, and it was a simple mechanical contraption, but first electronic computer was invented in the US. Video claims they invented the Internet too. Bunk. It was originally a DARPA invention funded by US defense budget.

Toss this one away with a pound of salt.


The video talks about the World Wide Web. You do know the difference, right? Look up who invented it.

There was no mechanical Turing machine. The Turing machine is a theoretical machine, not a real one. The idea was used to advance computing theory.

The first electronic digital computer was Colossus, developed by the British in 1943 and kept secret for many years.


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The first electronic digital computer was Colossus, developed by the British in 1943 and kept secret for many years.
Well, then again maybe not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_Atanasoff


Atanasoff invented the first electronic digital computer in the 1930s at Iowa State College.

In the 1973 decision of Honeywell v. Sperry Rand, a federal judge named Atanasoff the inventor of the electronic digital computer.


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The first electronic digital computer was Colossus, developed by the British in 1943 and kept secret for many years.
Well, then again maybe not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_Atanasoff


Atanasoff invented the first electronic digital computer in the 1930s at Iowa State College.

In the 1973 decision of Honeywell v. Sperry Rand, a federal judge named Atanasoff the inventor of the electronic digital computer.


True. And it really depends on how you define "computer". I think Colossus was the first programmable computer, but there were earlier electronic ones. There were even early mechanical programmable computers that were Turing Complete.

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- Not programmable
- Not Turing-complete

It was certainly pioneering work, but not what I consider a classic computer.

The USA invented packet-switching which led to the “internet” we know. The Brits invented the web/http which made the internet publicly useful/accessible.

The Brits (Ellis) also invented public-key encryption, not Whitfield & Diffie (USA).

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In any event, that's a German rocket and, as Werner von Braun is portrayed to have said in "The Right Stuff," "Our Germans are better than their Germans."


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The video claims Brits invented the Internet and the computer. They invented the Turing machine, and it was a simple mechanical contraption, but first electronic computer was invented in the US. Video claims they invented the Internet too. Bunk. It was originally a DARPA invention funded by US defense budget.

Toss this one away with a pound of salt.


The video talks about the World Wide Web. You do know the difference, right? Look up who invented it.

There was no mechanical Turing machine. The Turing machine is a theoretical machine, not a real one. The idea was used to advance computing theory.

The first electronic digital computer was Colossus, developed by the British in 1943 and kept secret for many years.


Yea, I know the difference. Berners-Lee was working at CERN in Switzerland at the time.

Technically: It was a Brit, in Switzerland, working for a European particle physics research facility who invented the web browser/server to collaborate on documents from various locations. Very cool. The Turing machine was just a concept and not actually built until much later when manufacturing technology permitted.

Not looking to pick an Internet fight, my issue with the video was the overreach or spin impressing British technology was so dominate in the 20th century. The British had important contributions, pioneering the space program isn't one of them in my view.
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overreach or spin impressing British technology was so dominate in the 20th century. The British had important contributions, pioneering the space program isn't one of them in my view.

The video has some patriotism and pride, that's one way of putting it, but nothing wrong with that.

Brits have come up with some really ingenious, functional engineering solutions- so it doesn't surprise me in the least that they would have tried putting a space capsule on top of a modified V-2 and shooting it straight up. I bet it would have worked, it really just needed the £s.


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In any event, that's a German rocket and, as Werner von Braun is portrayed to have said in "The Right Stuff," "Our Germans are better than their Germans."


Considering what Von Braun had done, hopefully he never included himself amongst the better ones.

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Well, history records that it was the Nazis who were the first to achieved manned rocket flight:

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Brits have come up with some really ingenious, functional engineering solutions- so it doesn't surprise me in the least that they would have tried putting a space capsule on top of a modified V-2 and shooting it straight up. I bet it would have worked, it really just needed the £s.

they also have a knack for creating bizarre, rube goldberg solutions to simple problems.


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