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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 17:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Paul: I mean this with all due respect. I kind of feel it myself from time to time. Sometimes it seems like you “look away” for a moment and everything you grew up has changed when you look back. Crew vs SP. coffin corner margins. Fuel economy at FL450. Who can teach in turbojets? I feel you brother. You add value. Don’t ever think otherwise. That's OK Mark, time has not changed my view of Part 91 turbo jet operations. The old saying will always be true "just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's safe." As you know, I didn't write that rule, people with more experience and wisdom than I did; I just happen to agree with them. Thank god 121’s require all there training captains to be CFIs. Wait they don’t. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s safe.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 17:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: Paul: I mean this with all due respect. I kind of feel it myself from time to time. Sometimes it seems like you “look away” for a moment and everything you grew up has changed when you look back. Crew vs SP. coffin corner margins. Fuel economy at FL450. Who can teach in turbojets? I feel you brother. You add value. Don’t ever think otherwise. That's OK Mark, time has not changed my view of Part 91 turbo jet operations. The old saying will always be true "just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's safe." As you know, I didn't write that rule, people with more experience and wisdom than I did; I just happen to agree with them.
Well you wandered on to a thread that is mostly part 91 SP operators. That your opinon re safety of what we do and love is that it is not safe...well what reaction do you expect?
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 17:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is unquestionably legal but insurance would have a field day. You told them???
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is unquestionably legal but insurance would have a field day. You told them???
Asking for a friend
_________________ Mark Hangen Deputy Minister of Ice (aka FlyingIceperson) Power of the Turbine "Jet Elite"
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:09 |
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[ You told them???[/quote] Asking for a friend [/quote] ________________________________________________________________________ No matter the FAR's, the point about insurance is a valid one. In the Part 91 jet operations I flew insurance required both pilots to complete annual training at Flight Safety or the equivalent , and I never experienced any Santa Clauses at Flight Safety, they busted one of my bosses for PIC.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: [ You told them??? Asking for a friend [/quote] No matter the FAR's, the point about insurance is a valid one. In the Part 91 jet operations I flew insurance required both pilots to complete annual training at Flight Safety or the equivalent , and I never experienced any Santa Clauses at Flight Safety, they busted one of my bosses for PIC.[/quote] Did they retrain and pass him or was it the end for him?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: [ You told them??? Asking for a friend [/quote] No matter the FAR's, the point about insurance is a valid one. In the Part 91 jet operations I flew insurance required both pilots to complete annual training at Flight Safety or the equivalent , and I never experienced any Santa Clauses at Flight Safety, they busted one of my bosses for PIC.[/quote] We have $300 million in liability per plane and they don’t require it. Just current according to FARs
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: [ You told them??? Asking for a friend
No matter the FAR's, the point about insurance is a valid one. In the Part 91 jet operations I flew insurance required both pilots to complete annual training at Flight Safety or the equivalent , and I never experienced any Santa Clauses at Flight Safety, they busted one of my bosses for PIC.[/quote] We have $300 million in liability per plane and they don’t require it. Just current according to FARs[/quote]
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Your're flying a King Air, right?
What company insures you're flying for $300 Million? Flying under what Part?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: Your're flying a King Air, right?
Yup and N-265-65 and G-1159B
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: Your're flying a King Air, right?
Yup and N-265-65 and G-1159B
I just got inssured SP in an Ultra that has $200m limits. i was surprised they had limits that high.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:33 |
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[ I just got inssured SP in an Ultra that has $200m limits. i was surprised they had limits that high.[/quote] Me too. I'm even more surprised that Eric is training his own FO's without sending them to a professional training and certification school like Flight Safety or Simuflight, and still insured for $300 million, but life is full of surprises.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 18:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: [ You told them??? Asking for a friend
No matter the FAR's, the point about insurance is a valid one. In the Part 91 jet operations I flew insurance required both pilots to complete annual training at Flight Safety or the equivalent , and I never experienced any Santa Clauses at Flight Safety, they busted one of my bosses for PIC.[/quote]
Did they retrain and pass him or was it the end for him?[/quote]
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They passed him with SIC privileges only in the Lear 24. He flew it OK, he just wasn't up to all the emergency stuff you get in the sim. I felt sorry for him, he had flown B-17's in Europe in WW ll, and his own King Airs , but the Lear 24 in the sim was beyond him.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 18 May 2018, 19:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Ok...here is what I have discovered.
1) Any type rated guy can act as the trainer in the aircraft he is typed in if it is for SIC training purposes. Don't even need an ATP. I knew this from another post on BT. Signed a guy off and the FSDO was fine with it.
2) Mike C is correct that the SPE requires the pilot who is acting a a SP PIC must sit left seat.
3)No one I have talked with has been able to answer whether or not the SIC trainer must be seated in the left seat.
4) Allen W is likely right that insurance has a preference.
I like it. A real brain teaser. Also, the “SIC Training flights” have to be just that, training flights (no pax and day VFR or day IFR) correct? I’m guessing that the training can be done from either seat. You aren’t exercising your SPE or SP privileges at that point, you are a multi pilot crew with an SIC in training. I’d just ask your FSDO.
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