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Looks like an inspectors rubber glove?


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 Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II
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Things you don’t want to find on a customs ramp. :lol: I kid you not. Strangest FOD ever. And no I did not touch it.


At TBM initial a few weeks ago, the instructor told us about a TBM that departed La Guardia and lost the engine at 3000'. They did the turnback and landed with no problems. Back on the ground the engine started and ran fine. Someone suggested looking in the tank they were on and there was a rubber glove next to the fuel pickup.


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Things you don’t want to find on a customs ramp. :lol: I kid you not. Strangest FOD ever. And no I did not touch it.


At TBM initial a few weeks ago, the instructor told us about a TBM that departed La Guardia and lost the engine at 3000'. They did the turnback and landed with no problems. Back on the ground the engine started and ran fine. Someone suggested looking in the tank they were on and there was a rubber glove next to the fuel pickup.

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Hope he had a nice talk with the Sheltair manager on duty.

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Maybe it has leaky hydraulics or nitro?

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Some of em can’t access the baggage door with the flaps up. I don’t remember which. But it’s hard to find a good copilot.


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I see that’s a CJ3 but I heard something once about leaving flaps partially down on legacy citations to put less stress on some part of the system. IIRC.


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That's the the Van RV folks do, right?

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I see that’s a CJ3 but I heard something once about leaving flaps partially down on legacy citations to put less stress on some part of the system. IIRC.

Approach flaps yes, full flaps no.

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Those are ground flaps with the speed brakes extended. Knucklehead didn’t go through after landing checklist before shutting down engines.

Flaps have 3 detents - APPROACH, LAND, GROUND. Ground flaps only to be used after all 3 wheels on the ground.

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Those are ground flaps with the speed brakes extended. Knucklehead didn’t go through after landing checklist before shutting down engines.

Flaps have 3 detents - APPROACH, LAND, GROUND. Ground flaps only to be used after all 3 wheels on the ground.


The worst part is they managed to get out of the aircraft and either 1) didn’t notice or 2) didn’t care.

For you non jet guys the closest analogy I can come up with is it like your fly is unzipped and your junk is hanging out. And you 1) don’t notice or care or 2) are proud of it. :lol:

If I were an FAA inspector I would pull up a chair and wait for the perp to return. “Show me every single piece of documentation you have...twice!”

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Nobody told them they just need to motor an engine until hydraulic pressure is there to retract them. Didn’t have to start an engine. Pilot may have seen it and didn’t want to start an engine.

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That's the sign of an over-exciting, non-standard arrival.

I've noticed it in all kinds of airplanes from time to time, including large cabin fracs and even one I was driving.

Pulls into FBO flaps extended, recogs and landing lights on, and if my IR glasses are in my pocket protector, heats.

I always chuckle, and wonder what happened to them.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a 5-year event and not a new procedure.

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Now I know what people think when I do that so I can clean and inspect areas that are not normally accessible. :)


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