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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 08:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: Scenario....you request a top off (500 gallons) positive. On the way to your bird.
You get a call from the first desk CSR “hoping you are having a great day. Sorry to inform you we hit the wrong button and your load was negative prist”. Your mix is now 2/3 diluted.
1) your meeting is critical
2) KDAL -KSAT 47 min trip
3) fixed at fl300
4) clear day
5) they have no cans of Prist and adding Prist like that is not allowed by their sop
6) defueling will take hours due to it being over wing
What do you do? I’ve become friends with a lot of old timers in the legacy Citations. I’ve asked them this question. They have all said it’s not a big deal. Not to mention the times you or I have flown negative and never knew it. I assume your talking about Citations? In any case a 47 min trip will not freeze the fuel.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 08:31 |
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Not a turbine guy, so this is purely speculative.  I'm looking at: Daytime, Vmc, Short hop, Important flight, PIC is experienced, current and familiar with the airframe/SOP. No red flags there, so I would ask the following 2 questions. 1. Is there an acceptable margin for error on Prist dilution? 2. You're in the South and it's early fall...still hot. Since this is a short hop can you stay at lower altitudes well above the freezing level and just eat the fuel burn?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 08:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Scenario....you request a top off (500 gallons) positive. On the way to your bird.
You get a call from the first desk CSR “hoping you are having a great day. Sorry to inform you we hit the wrong button and your load was negative prist”. Your mix is now 2/3 diluted.
1) your meeting is critical
2) KDAL -KSAT 47 min trip
3) fixed at fl300
4) clear day
5) they have no cans of Prist and adding Prist like that is not allowed by their sop
6) defueling will take hours due to it being over wing
What do you do? you get into your other jet lease instead? 
They are in an other cities
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 09:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Scenario....you request a top off (500 gallons) positive. On the way to your bird.
You get a call from the first desk CSR “hoping you are having a great day. Sorry to inform you we hit the wrong button and your load was negative prist”. Your mix is now 2/3 diluted.
1) your meeting is critical
2) KDAL -KSAT 47 min trip
3) fixed at fl300
4) clear day
5) they have no cans of Prist and adding Prist like that is not allowed by their sop
6) defueling will take hours due to it being over wing
What do you do? 1. Fly lower and bill the FBO for the extra burn. 2. Buy a couple of cans to stick in the back of the plane.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 09:18 |
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They gave me 10 cents off a gallon, a hat, a pen with an airplane on it and barbecue sauce. Thanks BizJet!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 11:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Give up flying yourself and come on over to the airlines. Where you don’t have to worry about this stuff. I know a 737 operator that will hire you out of MSP! Ha. The ole invisible ink trick! Good news is I have 12 hours in 737-800’s.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 27 Sep 2019, 11:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Give up flying yourself and come on over to the airlines. Where you don’t have to worry about this stuff. I know a 737 operator that will hire you out of MSP! Ha. The ole invisible ink trick! Good news is I have 12 hours in 737-800’s.
Your hired!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 19:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: 1. Fly lower and bill the FBO for the extra burn.
DIs
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 20:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: So what was the answer? I’m not Mark but I’d go. This is a non-event. Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 28 Sep 2019, 23:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: So what was the answer? I’m not Mark but I’d go. This is a non-event. Andrew
I went. 10 cents off 600 gals of fuel and a gift bag. Lol.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 29 Sep 2019, 17:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Single pilot in the 550 yesterday from KFTW (Fort Worth Meecham) to KRBD (Dallas exec aka Redbrid)
Landed in 2,000 feet at KRBD. Nice to know it can do that.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/qxheAjxIZmk[/youtube] " All that wasted runway ".... 
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