This is nearly a carbon copy of the BED Gulfstream accident except the crew did the right thing. The plane would not rotate at Vr. In the BED accident, the crew found out the control column was locked and did not abort. In the DC9, the crew had an apparently unlocked column but still did the right thing anyway. The DC9 would not have flown no matter how far they pulled back the yoke.

This crew saved 116 lives by their actions.

Humans, as opposed to computers, know when to break the rules. You have to abort above V1 if the plane will not fly.

Mike C.

Sure wish is was 26th, I leave Phoenix for Dallas for ATP sim training...maybe next time

I was made aware today that our rocker lease customer inquired as to whether or not a refund or a discount would be available given the vicious headwinds and the fact It took longer that was supposed to. Honestly I can’t think of a positive thing to stay about that statement. Let me try. Yes there is a discount for headwinds as long as there is a premium paid for tailwinds. Yes there is a discount paid for headwinds as long is if I go to a concert of yours and get sick partway through your refund my money. And finally there will be a discount for headwinds and we will match the discount being provided by the major airlines because we think that would be most fair

“Yes there is a headwinds discount however the extra charges you incurred by showing up late with an extra passenger far exceeded the headwind discount...”

Peace,
Don

Your reactions on the client comment are pretty much mine too but hey, as they say, you never know until you ask.

But another angle is that sometimes the extra time seems out of proportion to the wind, in this case in addition to cutting ground speeds, it necessitated the Scottsdale fuel stop.

So I do get that it was a 'lot' longer, and a lot more expensive than originally planned. And a non-pilot client probably doesn't have the same appreciation of that as a pilot would.

Now if you were flying a plane with greater range, the difference probably could have been limited to the delay from the slower ground speeds alone. I'm thinking your G100 example earlier. But at a higher rate per hour regardless, even when there's a tailwind and the range isn't needed!

PS I'd jump at the chance if I wasn't at the opposite end of the country here in Connecticut

Our “superior” flight-planning and risk-management skills alleviated an extra stop in Buffalo, saving at least an hour, and likely more considering the weather moving in.

I did suggest he consider winds aloft when scheduling venues :D BTW - all three of those guys were class acts.

When those guys get into the G100 I don't think they will care how much more it might cost than the legacy citations. They will wish it came years sooner.

Definitely.

Headwinds:As in Air going in one ear and out the other.

Doug J and I are doing a trip today for the rocker. KDFW-KANJ-KGRB-KSDL.

Let’s start with Big D.

Will video this and post.

Fill it till you spill it. Damn.

Mark, check your boots forward the fuel caps if you are not standing right there as they fuel you. I am fairly certain the line monkeys at DFW dinged both side of my leading edge with their over handling of the hoses.

Yeah, I was wondering if that really worked at KDFW.

The notes are:

Fuel must be arranged in advance. ALLIED is our Supplier and applies a $10 flat fee to all uplifts. Additionally, DFW Airport adds a surcharge per gallon payable at the time of checkout on all contract fuel based on the number of gallons fueled - must be paid with cash or credit card.

Let me know what the "real" price is and all the fees.

Mike C.

Yeah, I was wondering if that really worked at KDFW.

The notes are:

Fuel must be arranged in advance. ALLIED is our Supplier and applies a $10 flat fee to all uplifts. Additionally, DFW Airport adds a surcharge per gallon payable at the time of checkout on all contract fuel based on the number of gallons fueled - must be paid with cash or credit card.

Let me know what the "real" price is and all the fees.

Mike C.