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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 15:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: These ADF antenna are a weak point. Ice I suppose They are. Dayton-Granger parts, pretty easy to fix if you have the extraction tool for the wire. That is HF though, not ADF (only something from the '60s would use ADF sense wires).
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 15:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: These ADF antenna are a weak point. Ice I suppose They are. Dayton-Granger parts, pretty easy to fix if you have the extraction tool for the wire. That is HF though, not ADF (only something from the '60s would use ADF sense wires).
Nice. Thanks for the update. I didn’t know that.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 16:09 |
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Username Protected wrote:
They are. Dayton-Granger parts, pretty easy to fix if you have the extraction tool for the wire.
That is HF though, not ADF (only something from the '60s would use ADF sense wires).
Nice. Thanks for the update. I didn’t know that.
Is this the one you are flying? If your maint needs the tool I should have one to loan.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 16:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Is this the one you are flying? If your maint needs the tool I should have one to loan.
AOG at KPWK. Westar on it.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 16:48 |
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Username Protected wrote: AOG at KPWK. Westar on it. I would expect them to have the right tool!
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 00:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Did you have any noise or vibration while in flight? It doesn’t look like it affected the paint. Nothing I noticed. Shocked it didn’t crush the paint. Took these pictures at KEYE. Hangared the airplane. For two hours to melt ice off. I was in the ice for less than 5 min.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 12:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: That’s a lot of ice for 5 minutes! It’s amazing how fast it can accumulate under the right conditions. Last time I saw ice like that was winter time in Michigan. Well, this was winter in Indiana. Depending on how the wind blows we can get Michigan quality ice down here too.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 13:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: I bet the wings were clean. Perhaps so, but the ice still left on the tail boots would give me a little concern. I find it weird Cessna could make a hot wing, but not do the tail that way, on the CJ2. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 14:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I bet the wings were clean. Perhaps so, but the ice still left on the tail boots would give me a little concern. I find it weird Cessna could make a hot wing, but not do the tail that way, on the CJ2. Mike C.
I agree, I've flown into icing and landed with my tail looking much the same as MH's pics. A tail plane stall is more scary than a wing stall. I wonder how much it would increase the cost and decrement the engine performance?
I've never heard of somebody having a problem with the tail boots on the CJ - have you?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 14:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think icing on the CJs has ever been a problem. I don’t think it has either. At FSI during one of the PowerPoint learning modules I noticed a plane without boots on the tail. The instructors said the initial test plane didnt and Cessna said the boots were not required but the FAA made them add them. Not sure if it is true or not but kind of makes sense about them being boots and not hot. I did take a photo of the plane but cant locate it at the moment. Andrew
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Jan 2019, 14:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think icing on the CJs has ever been a problem. Jets have ample power reserve which is the best icing treatment. But it isn't a problem until one day it is and bites you. Like an ATR 42 one day near Chicago. Still need to be vigilant. One issue is that it is hard to treat the tail boots on a CJ2, way up in the air. Still, one could wish for bleed air deice instead... Mike C.
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