KATL today. Jet A $8.35/gal. No fuel programs available. Went to KFFC VFR. 5 min flight. $3.76 program fuel.. bought 600 gallons. $2,754 savings less $376 for round trip fuel.

Now you are in my neck of the woods. I was at FFC Saturday with a student for a quick trip to Aircraft Spruce.

Similar to IAD 8.60 and HEF 3.75.

Well, KIAD has CAA that saves you almost $3/gallon, net around $5/gallon. That's a lot better than KATL.

Mike C.

Departing PADGT5 today. Over MPASS I am told to delete the ZELAN speed restriction. At what speed may I cross ZELAN? Remember I am flying a Slowtation. Normal climb speed is 210-220kias. Vmo is 262kias.

Well the speed restriction is 250kts. Your below 10,000ft. So they aren’t telling you go to fast. I would say your normal 210-220. They probably know that’s normal for citation.

Well the speed restriction is 250kts. Your below 10,000ft. So they aren’t telling you go to fast. I would say your normal 210-220. They probably know that’s normal for citation.

I would have though that as well. But it bothered me he didn’t say “resume normal speed”. So I asked if that meant I could resume my normal climb speed of 220. He came back very quickly with a “negative sir, you have to be at 250 or greater at ZELAN. Essentially he was waving the prohibition of exceeding 250 knots but not the restriction of being less than 250 knots. It was probably bad phraseology and being used to faster aircraft.

Glad I asked.

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What altitude would you cross Zelan, it looks like there is no way that you would cross it above 10K ? As we all know, ATC cannot waive the 250 below 10,000 speed restiction to a higher speed - unless you ask for it for operational reasons (i.e. clean stall speed requires more than 250K, but that would be a stretch in a Citation).

That magenta box in the top right corner says you are suppose to tell tower and departure on initial contact that you can not maintain 250kts.

I’ve done departures with that on them in the CII and she will climb at 250 just not as fast as your use to. They don’t care as much about your altitude in this scenario they just want you to go away and 250 ias gets you away.

Right. I was flying at 250KIAS and climbing 1,000 FPM When he said cancel speed restriction I figured I would get a little more economy and climb faster...had I not asked it could have been a problem.

I think he had cleared me to 14k after i turned at MPASS. I was asked if my 250 speed was a limitation based on a temporary issue with the aircraft. i explained that i was a lowly SLOWTATION.

Mark you should have explained that the Citation is so slow it takes bird strikes to the rear.

Right. I was flying at 250KIAS and climbing 1,000 FPM When he said cancel speed restriction I figured I would get a little more economy and climb faster...had I not asked it could have been a problem.

In fairness that is a 501. That's why they the screen protecting the exhaust side of the engine.

In the bus we’re normally at 10,000 before we get to ZELAN. So we’re poking along at 250 until either we pass it, or they tell us to delete the speed restriction.

I’m surprised they put you on turbojet departures in the Citation