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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II  Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 22:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Wind, what wind?
On the runway before the fixed distance marker, no drama I could see. Nice! We actually had to go to Reno to begin with as braking action was reported poor. With RTs I was a fan of trying. Thoughts?
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 22:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like the wind calmed down more later on. But from the video it didn't seem like you were being pushed all that hard. Even crab on final didn't look too bad. Videos never do it justice. My pax (my board members) applauded 
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 00:57 |
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Not in a big crosswind.
If you start sliding you need to come out of reverse to get it straight and can eat up a lot of runway.
With centerline thrust, differential power is not as effective.
Nothing like reverse on a prop.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 03:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Not in a big crosswind.
If you start sliding you need to come out of reverse to get it straight and can eat up a lot of runway.
With centerline thrust, differential power is not as effective.
Nothing like reverse on a prop. That was exactly your discussion. My experience has been with twin commanders. Never an issue on ice covered runways.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:08 |
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Mark, what model Citation do you fly again?
There are a couple of 560s at my home home drome, and wondering what the differences are. Is a 560 a different type rating than a 550, than a 501? I know 525 is different, but trying to get a handle on the differences between what appear, at first glance, to be "traditional" Citiations.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mark, what model Citation do you fly again?
There are a couple of 560s at my home home drome, and wondering what the differences are. Is a 560 a different type rating than a 560, than a 501? I know 525 is different, but trying to get a handle on the differences between what appear, at first glance, to be "traditional" Citiations. Mark flies 550's. There is the legacy Citation 500 type rating that cover 500/501, 550/551, & 560. There is the Citation Jet 525 type rating that includes CJ, CJ1, CJ2, CJ3, CJ4. There is the Citation Mustang type rating for the 510 type. Then you have the Citation 650, 680 & 750 type ratings.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cool, Allen! Thanks!
The 560 looks interesting with the heated wing. But I suppose the "old school" glass avionics are a PITA to update in today's world? Citation 560 type includes the Citation V, XLS, Encore, and XLS+. All different flavors of avionics. Early V's can get Garmin G600's and GTN's.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 16:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: Cool, Allen! Thanks!
The 560 looks interesting with the heated wing. But I suppose the "old school" glass avionics are a PITA to update in today's world? Citation 560 type includes the Citation V, XLS, Encore, and XLS+. All different flavors of avionics. Early V's can get Garmin G600's and GTN's.
It includes the V, ultra, encore. Excel is different type.
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Username Protected wrote: There is the legacy Citation 500 type rating that cover 500/501, 550/551, & 560.
There is the Citation Jet 525 type rating that includes CJ, CJ1, CJ2, CJ3, CJ4.
There is the Citation Mustang type rating for the 510 type.
Then you have the Citation 650, 680 & 750 type ratings. Is there a CE-560XL type rating? I seem to recall those airplanes were not part of the CE-500 type rating (and not part of the CE-500 SPE, either). Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Flying the Citation II Posted: 17 Dec 2017, 17:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is the legacy Citation 500 type rating that cover 500/501, 550/551, & 560.
There is the Citation Jet 525 type rating that includes CJ, CJ1, CJ2, CJ3, CJ4.
There is the Citation Mustang type rating for the 510 type.
Then you have the Citation 650, 680 & 750 type ratings. Is there a CE-560XL type rating? I seem to recall those airplanes were not part of the CE-500 type rating (and not part of the CE-500 SPE, either). Mike C.
I believe it is a 56X type rating
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