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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera  Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 12:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: While that's true no way no how is that spin training. True, but again - the aircraft is registered in Slovenia, and the flight probably happened under their rules.
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 13:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nope. Spin training is excluded from chute requirement.
While that's true no way no how is that spin training.
From their website
** Panthera is to become a full Part-23 (FAR-23 and CS-23) certified airplane under the "Utility", not "Normal" category. This calls for spin testing a fully developed spin of at least 6 full rotations before recovery is initiated. Tested were all combinations of front/aft cg, lateral cg cases (various asymmetric cases of one fuel tank containing more fuel than the other, flaps and landing gear positions, idle, 75% and full engine power.) All cases proved to be non-problematic, thus we decided to go the extra mile. Pipistrel doesn't just recognize the standards and fulfill the minimum level of safety - we want to be a lot better than the minimum! The above video was recorded once the minimum test were passed and we were absolutely certain that all spin cases are safe - and then we went a step further. We expanded the testing for spins to 10 rotations, which happens to be the norm for aerobatic aircraft, although Panthera was never conceived to be one. It was however designed to be superbly safe, and the spin test campaign proved this aspect of safety very well. To demonstrate a 10-turn spin is not necessary for certification, but we chose to do it because of our commitment to extra safe products.
During the test campaign it was discovered that regardless of the aircraft configuration, spins always fully develop at latest by the 3rd rotation. Once it passes 3 rotations, it is the same if it spins for 4, 6, 10 or 20 rotations. Panthera always recovers using standard technique, with less than 1 turn delay - well inside certification norms. A 10-turn spin at high altitude, which is what the video shows, is a straight-forward and absolutely safe maneuver for the Panthera.
This is a step further in aircraft design and flight safety! In the Panthera, spinning is not a dreadful maneuver, instead it is easily recoverable (at safe altitude, of course) and no pilot should be afraid of it .
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 14:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: id be real interested in the kit version. If they go experimental and certified they will give both Cirrus and the RV10 a run for their money.... I'd love to see this. I hope they can sell a bunch of them...
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 15:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nice specs. Nice FF useful load - tried to find an indication of baggage space/location but found none. Anyone have insight? I assume aft of rear seats, but it looks like the chute takes up quite a bit of space there, and then the tail tapers down very quickly. That's my biggest gripe against what otherwise looks like a fantastic new aircraft. The baggage space appears to be very, very minimal. Nice 2 person xc machine but not at all practical for 4 pax. Too few details to be sure but I think that will be the reality.
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 13 Aug 2014, 18:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nice specs. Nice FF useful load - tried to find an indication of baggage space/location but found none. Anyone have insight? I assume aft of rear seats, but it looks like the chute takes up quite a bit of space there, and then the tail tapers down very quickly. That's my biggest gripe against what otherwise looks like a fantastic new aircraft. The baggage space appears to be very, very minimal. Nice 2 person xc machine but not at all practical for 4 pax. Too few details to be sure but I think that will be the reality.
At least it has (3) Pax doors....and a rear baggage compartment.Attachment: 04.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 03:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: It is interesting that the entire narrative is basically one long jab at Cirrus. And it puts a whole new "spin" on emergency descent....
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nice specs. Nice FF useful load - tried to find an indication of baggage space/location but found none. Anyone have insight? I assume aft of rear seats, but it looks like the chute takes up quite a bit of space there, and then the tail tapers down very quickly. That's my biggest gripe against what otherwise looks like a fantastic new aircraft. The baggage space appears to be very, very minimal. Nice 2 person xc machine but not at all practical for 4 pax. Too few details to be sure but I think that will be the reality.
I agree. There won't be any room for golf bags, nor all the other stuff I carry on a week-long trip with my wife and dog.
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 14 Aug 2014, 17:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: No step??? How do you climb on that wing? Not sure why it isn't shown in that picture, but there is a step on both sides of the airplane. I believe you can see that in the tail view of the spin testing video. In an Avweb article earlier this year, they said a retractable step was being considered.
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Post subject: Re: Pipistrel Panthera Posted: 15 Aug 2014, 18:34 |
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Panthera price list from the Pipistrel Canada website: http://www.pipistrel.ca/resources/PDF-p ... a-2014.pdf€425K (IO540 & avionics) with factory build assist €465K for the certified version (no details on avionics) The price difference is smaller than I expected, but I'd bet that things will change before Pipistrel actually gets to the kit/certified cost.
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