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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 21:49 |
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Joined: 07/08/11 Posts: 399 Post Likes: +53 Location: Valentine,NE
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Username Protected wrote: Remember the old days when most all airplanes appreciated? Congratulations! I remember in the nineties my grandfather had 4 different bonanzas; all of which he sold for more than he paid.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 23:05 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13080 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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That's great. I haven't flown the electric gear yet but I understand it's "dead silent". If true, not sure how I feel about that..... Of course I'd take it. My NG is a 2008 with 790 hours. Previous owner didn't like to fly it I guess? I bought it with 400 hours last year. I too fly 300-400 a year. I've upgraded it with everything buy SVS. You know they have an extended warranty for about $16K a year. I've exercised my warranty a lot. Just got a new GPS2. My next step is Phenom 300 or PC24. What's your mission? If you do the math, with the extra speed of the Phenom 300, operating expenses aren't much different, Just acquision cost.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 23 Jul 2014, 23:21 |
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Joined: 07/08/11 Posts: 399 Post Likes: +53 Location: Valentine,NE
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Username Protected wrote: That's great. I haven't flown the electric gear yet but I understand it's "dead silent". If true, not sure how I feel about that..... Of course I'd take it. My NG is a 2008 with 790 hours. Previous owner didn't like to fly it I guess? I bought it with 400 hours last year. I too fly 300-400 a year. I've upgraded it with everything buy SVS. You know they have an extended warranty for about $16K a year. I've exercised my warranty a lot. Just got a new GPS2. My next step is Phenom 300 or PC24. What's your mission? If you do the math, with the extra speed of the Phenom 300, operating expenses aren't much different, Just acquision cost. You've heard correct on the electric gear. It doesn't seem right not hearing the gear swing. We had the Honeywell extended warranty and never had to use it. It's a bit of an oxymoron saying I want a new plane to be under full warranty because our 2009 never gave us problems. An AOA vane and tires were about all we did to it besides inspections. The PC12 is really perfect for our mission. We mostly bounce around Nebraska and the surrounding states. Arizona is the furthest we go. We looked at the jets hard and we just don't go far enough to make it efficient .
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 10:38 |
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Did not appear as if they understood the market demand for their new PC-24 too well?
Love the PC-12. I find that with that amount of comfort the lack of a high cruise speed is less of an issue for passengers.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 11:38 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13080 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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Username Protected wrote: We looked at the jets hard and we just don't go far enough to make it efficient . Yup. That's the bottom line. The PC12 is hard to beat. It's about the most perfect airplane I can think of. I think they will do what TBM did soon though.... clean up the airframe and squeeze a few more knots out of it.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 13:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: The PC12 is hard to beat. It's about the most perfect airplane I can think of. I think they will do what TBM did soon though.... clean up the airframe and squeeze a few more knots out of it. I think you are spot on. The TBM cleanup is a lesson for other manufacturers.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 13:34 |
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Joined: 01/29/08 Posts: 26338 Post Likes: +13080 Location: Walterboro, SC. KRBW
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My biggest fear is that an "upgraded" model will switch to Garmin. So much of the automation in the new TBM900 is because of Garmin. Honeywell does not innovate the way Garmin does. The startup procedure alone in the new TBM900 is greatly improved because of Garmin. The Honeywell in my Pilatus boots up like an old Texas Instruments 486.  It's really pathetic. I can't believe they'd use Honeywell for the new PC24. It's so dated.
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Post subject: Re: Pilatus understands supply and demand Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 14:49 |
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Joined: 05/23/08 Posts: 6060 Post Likes: +709 Location: CMB7, Ottawa, Canada
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Not sure what you mean Jason, G1000 as nothing to do with the startup of the turbine, there is no fadec or automation on a PT6. The only automatic feature on the 900 is the starter disengage automatic after 30 seconds, wow. Some guys were too stupid to shutoff the starter I guess. Username Protected wrote: My biggest fear is that an "upgraded" model will switch to Garmin. So much of the automation in the new TBM900 is because of Garmin. Honeywell does not innovate the way Garmin does. The startup procedure alone in the new TBM900 is greatly improved because of Garmin. The Honeywell in my Pilatus boots up like an old Texas Instruments 486.  It's really pathetic. I can't believe they'd use Honeywell for the new PC24. It's so dated.
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