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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE  Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 00:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/LEARJET-60SE/2006-LEARJET-60SE/1345763.htm
Please tell me all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't buy this plane. Low time machine at what seems to be a fire sale price. It's a fair price, not a smokin' deal. What would you like to do with the airplane? Lear 60's aren't bad airplanes, but they do have small tires/brakes, which have led to runway overruns. They're not quite coast to coast airplanes. Running a Lear 60 requires at least a full-time aircraft manager (or management company) and preferably a full-time mechanic. Depending on the hours flown per year, I'd estimate planning to spend $1,000,000 - $3,000,000 per year running it.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 01:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/LEARJET-60SE/2006-LEARJET-60SE/1345763.htm
Please tell me all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't buy this plane. Low time machine at what seems to be a fire sale price. What do you plan on doing with a Lear 60?
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 01:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/LEARJET-60SE/2006-LEARJET-60SE/1345763.htm
Please tell me all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't buy this plane. Low time machine at what seems to be a fire sale price. What do you plan on doing with a Lear 60?
The pilatus is a great plane for 90% of what we do but south Florida is a bit of a stretch for it. (And thrombosis sets in lol)
I know the operating cost would be much much higher. Just wanted some input from the group.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 01:10 |
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Username Protected wrote:
The pilatus is a great plane for 90% of what we do but south Florida is a bit of a stretch for it. (And thrombosis sets in lol)
I know the operating cost would be much much higher. Just wanted some input from the group.
Luke ... I've been managing a jet for an individual for about ten years. Drop me a PM for my phone number if you wish to discuss jet ownership and the costs and work involved to keep it going.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 09:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/LEARJET-60SE/2006-LEARJET-60SE/1345763.htm
Please tell me all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't buy this plane. Low time machine at what seems to be a fire sale price. If it's the same range as the PC12 you're not getting anything but a big bill. This is what keeps me out of "jet". All the ones I can fly SP don't give me anymore range.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 10:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/aircraft-for-sale/LEARJET-60SE/2006-LEARJET-60SE/1345763.htm
Please tell me all kinds of reasons why I shouldn't buy this plane. Low time machine at what seems to be a fire sale price. If it's the same range as the PC12 you're not getting anything but a big bill. This is what keeps me out of "jet". All the ones I can fly SP don't give me anymore range.
Performance
Maximum speed: 522 mph (453 knots, 839 km/h) (max cruise)
Cruise speed: 484 mph (Fast Cruise 536 mph) (420 knots, 778 km/h, Mach 0.74) (long-range cruise)
Range: 2,773 mi (2,409 nmi, 4,461 km)
Service ceiling: 51,000 ft (15,545 m)
Rate of climb: 4,500 ft/min (22.9 m/s)
It would gain a decent amount of range. i know when I pencil in all the costs the Pilatus will still be the best option though.
But man does that Lear 60 look good!
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 10:52 |
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Lear 60's of all suffixes are excellent airframes, but are built on variations of legacy Lear systems = somewhat more expensive to maintain. The P&W engines are excellent and if you can bribe your way high quickly, they burn about the same as the 31 in cruise. There is not much that will out climb a Lear 60 (civilian or airline). The airplane likes FL 390-410, and FL 450 if it's light. The Achilles heel on the 60 is the brakes. Same product used on the 30 series but stopping 7000lbs more equals poor balanced field length calcs.
We operated a 60 for 3 yrs. by far my favorite airplane. A true pilots airplane that really performs,and looks great and provides a mid-class cabin with stand up enclosed rear lav, and a descent galley.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 11:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Performance
Maximum speed: 522 mph (453 knots, 839 km/h) (max cruise)
Cruise speed: 484 mph (Fast Cruise 536 mph) (420 knots, 778 km/h, Mach 0.74) (long-range cruise)
Range: 2,773 mi (2,409 nmi, 4,461 km)
Service ceiling: 51,000 ft (15,545 m)
Rate of climb: 4,500 ft/min (22.9 m/s)
It would gain a decent amount of range. i know when I pencil in all the costs the Pilatus will still be the best option though.
But man does that Lear 60 look good! If it has more range it's great. What range does it have with 4-8 on board with bags? If the jet has to stop for gas, the PC12 just won. I could never tolerate the 2 pilot thing. I share a hangar with a Lear 31. Owner is not a pilot. many times he flies commercial because they couldn't schedule a second pilot.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 15:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Guess I am the odd man that likes a 2 person crew most of the time.
TJ Why?
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 15:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Guess I am the odd man that likes a 2 person crew most of the time.
TJ Why?
Why I like a 2 person crew? Same reason I like 2 engines I guess.
In busy airspace or weather 2 good pilots working well together perform about like 2.5x pilot. 2 pilots without crew training and coordination are about .8x or less one single pilot. That's not a good recipe either. A single pilot with great training on top of his game can rock it pretty well also, and don't get me wrong I want to Solo the 31a really bad...
I also enjoy the time spent with a colleague watching the world go by.
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Post subject: Re: Lear 60SE Posted: 01 Dec 2014, 18:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: Performance
Maximum speed: 522 mph (453 knots, 839 km/h) (max cruise)
Cruise speed: 484 mph (Fast Cruise 536 mph) (420 knots, 778 km/h, Mach 0.74) (long-range cruise)
Range: 2,773 mi (2,409 nmi, 4,461 km)
Service ceiling: 51,000 ft (15,545 m)
Rate of climb: 4,500 ft/min (22.9 m/s)
It would gain a decent amount of range. i know when I pencil in all the costs the Pilatus will still be the best option though.
But man does that Lear 60 look good! If it has more range it's great. What range does it have with 4-8 on board with bags? If the jet has to stop for gas, the PC12 just won. I could never tolerate the 2 pilot thing. I share a hangar with a Lear 31. Owner is not a pilot. many times he flies commercial because they couldn't schedule a second pilot.
MAXIMUM WEIGHTS
– Takeoff: 23,500 lb
– Landing: 19,500 lb
– Basic operating: 14,772 lb
– Usable fuel: 7,910 lb
– Maximum payload: 2,228 lb
– Payload with full fuel: 1,068 lb
It has a better full fuel payload than anything else I've researched.
Here is a link to a good article on Lear 60 information.
http://www.bjtonline.com/sites/default/ ... jet_60.pdf
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