PC-12, once you study what that plane can do it's seriously incredible. Got 30 hrs in the 850. It does not even come close to the PC-12.

HondaJet is a "Halo" product to show the general public that Honda is a cutting edge company Honda still is. Jason says the Jet is 6 years too late for the market. I think it's probably enen later than that for the "Halo" impact they were looking for. I think that except for aviation folk, it probably gone stale.

Part of me is surprised Honda hasn't scrapped this project. No way it can have any sort of a impact as a revenue generator. Unless they plan to liciense it or sell it. Maybe to the Chinese?

Their VLJ entry may or may not succeed (competing directly with the Cessna CJ and Embraer Phenom VLJ's), but what we are very excited about is their HF120 turbo fan engine...

I think you're on to them Patrick. The Honda Jet was more about the engine development than the airframe. The airframe is just me too with the exception of the wing pylons, which in my opinion are fugly. They do however provide more cabin room to work with on short platform, which is beneficial.

I say they should have put the wing on top, hung the engines below. It would have looked better.

Honda has always been about the engine first and foremost. And rightfully or wrongfully. Sometimes they have wrapped their engines in/around a pretty good vehicle.

As to looks - If they had tried to copy an Aerostar they would have nailed it visually me thinks.

> What would you rather have?

PC-12; my lottery airplane. I'll settle for a MU-2 if I don't strike it big.

I really think what everyone here is missing is the fact that this jet will deliver TBM900 cost per mile, 100knots faster with twin jet engine reliability. That's why it took 30 years to get here.

And a hot wing for $4.5M.

Says who? Honda?

PC-12 will do 1500 miles and this jet with 5 people will do how much? Land, refuel and then take off again, what are those average speeds?

PC-24 is a far better airplane already.....

Are those engines not an offshoot of a GE engine.

+1.

I don't care about speed. I want range and a lav. PC12 will beat any VLJ almost anywhere in and out of Atlanta.

Took Jason's advice and spent the morning looking at low time cheap jets. Yep there are a lot of them available as promised. Then I remembered that I need one other zero on my income to make any of them work. Perhaps I should just offer to get my commercial/jet rating and fly them for free for one of you guys with the big cheese....

Peace,
Don

Why many companies are try to develop light Jet ? Market needs economic affordable light press. single turboprop

Hi,
the main problem is that every company is putting too much into perfecting the plane, stuffing it with pricey avionics just to make a splash. What people really want is a fast, cheap working machine that will not eat up all their money. On a typical mission it does not matter if you save 10 minutes over every 3 hours of flight, and a super-duper-mega-fancy glass-cockpit still does not make you a better or safer pilot. It will cost you a fortune to buy it, and another fortune to keep it updated. That is the main reason why commercial planes often look old-fashioned compared to the new zippy jets.
A jet with 4-6 seats, about as fast as the rest ( less than 300kt should do the trick ) and with avionics to go safely IFR and shoot whatever approach is available, 4 hours endurance and a toilet, but no fancy bling-bling with a price-sticker well below 3million will sell like hotcake.
No need for the newest engines, because you can't have them repaired everywhere. No need for the lowest fuel flow, because 1million less in purchasing the plane will give you a lot of fuel. No need for 100.000 dollars extra in avionic, better spend 10.000 for decent training and use the rest to practice flying.
Just my 2 cents,
Ralph
P.S. just take a V-tail and have someone put a modern version of an 550 in it, less noise, less thirst, just up to todays standard, modern ignition and auto-fuel but no added magic. This would make a plane almost too good to believe….

8 seat single engine piston with a chute would make a killing!!!