BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 18:10

Username Protected wrote:

I'm one of them. I wouldn't buy an airplane just because it has a parachute, but if it was practical to add one to my Bonanza, why not?

Unfortunately, I doubt that it ever will be practical given not only the initial cost but also the impact on W&B and maintenance costs.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 18:16

Username Protected wrote:

I agree, Tracy.

By the way, a BRS 'chute is available for many types of Experimentals, including the RV-7 and RV-9 (but not for my -6).

$10,247 and 44.4 pounds... http://www.pilotshop.com/catalog/appage ... 7Aod-EcArw

The picture of the RV install from the link.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 19:07

For $10,247 and 44.4#, I'd do it in a heartbeat. If you could put the weight forward of the cg, that would be a huge bonus.

I'll be surprised if there's ever a BRS available for my V-tail. If there is, it'll be $50,000.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 19:22

Put a chute in a TKS/TAT/tip tank and see if you can keep them on the shelf. They would sell like crazy. Beechcraft needs to accept that others have/could improve their products.

The question is why would anyone buy a Cirrus if you could get a G36 with a chute?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 19:36

What if the BRS came with a nice gross weight increase, ala TAT and tips? :stir:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 19:43

Username Protected wrote:

What if the BRS came with a nice gross weight increase, ala TAT and tips? :stir:

Unfortunately it's going to come with a useful load DEcrease !

But if BRS (or someone) can do the engineering and testing and prove that it can be fitted to a bonanza AND show that the "landing" forces are survivable at gross.
Then yes I'd take the useful load decrease (a reasonable one , let's say no more than 50Lbs?) and pay 20k or more install and 1k/year reserve.

That last resort option is worth that amount.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 22:33

I would rather have a Baron P2

Username Protected · **Posted:** 13 May 2014, 23:43

Bump for votes

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 May 2014, 00:04

I am thinking about this for my RV-7 build but 44 pounds is not insignificant in an RV -especially when I weigh 220lbs. I would like to know what the vertical g load is in an RV hitting the ground under a chute. I spoke to the BRS folks at OSH last summer but want more specific data. I am really torn on this as it could significantly effect the performance and utility of my RV. The A36 would be another story. Retrospectively I would pay anything to save myself or passengers life but looking forward I'm not sure how much is too much $$. If it costs north of 10 AMU to just repack a Cirrus chute, I can't imagine what a certified install on a Bo would be. I bet 50k. At that point I might as well spend that and hang a second engine on the plane :tape:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 May 2014, 00:14

Username Protected wrote:

I am thinking about this for my RV-7 build but 44 pounds is not insignificant in an RV -especially when I weigh 220lbs. I would like to know what the vertical g load is in an RV hitting the ground under a chute. I spoke to the BRS folks at OSH last summer but want more specific data. I am really torn on this as it could significantly effect the performance and utility of my RV. The A36 would be another story. Retrospectively I would pay anything to save myself or passengers life but looking forward I'm not sure how much is too much $$. If it costs north of 10 AMU to just repack a Cirrus chute, I can't imagine what a certified install on a Bo would be. I bet 50k. At that point I might as well spend that and hang a second engine on the plane :tape:

I just wonder where they would put it. I would think they would have to do some sheet metal work by fabricate some kind of bubble on the top of the BO. I saw there was a quote of 15k for a 182 install, but i wonder what the price of a repack is?

Matt

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 May 2014, 00:17

If you want a chute, you can sit on it

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 May 2014, 00:18

Username Protected wrote:

If you want a chute, you can sit on it

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 May 2014, 16:21

Per the BRS website, here is the info for the Cessna 182 chute.
$14,999
3100lb max weight
155mph max deploy
10yr repack cycle
85lb system weight
22x23x39 length, width, and depth in inches

A 4000lb Bonanza capable system would probably cost and weigh more. Their 172 system is good to a max weight of 2,250lbs, weighs 79 lbs, and is dimensionally smaller. So, I'll guess it would weigh 90lbs and take up the entire extended baggage compartment of an A36.

http://brsparachutes.com/files/brsparac ... 0Sheet.pdf

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2014, 08:56

I think this poll is really surprising.

Only 36% say no chute so far.

More votes??

Username Protected · **Posted:** 16 May 2014, 09:07

Username Protected wrote:

Per the BRS website, here is the info for the Cessna 182 chute.
$14,999
3100lb max weight
155mph max deploy
10yr repack cycle
85lb system weight
22x23x39 length, width, and depth in inches

A 4000lb Bonanza capable system would probably cost and weigh more. Their 172 system is good to a max weight of 2,250lbs, weighs 79 lbs, and is dimensionally smaller. So, I'll guess it would weigh 90lbs and take up the entire extended baggage compartment of an A36.

http://brsparachutes.com/files/brsparac ... 0Sheet.pdf

How about adding two of the C172 chutes? Its a lot of weight though.

BRS Bonanza Chute Poll