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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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Suicide doors, don’t see that every day.


I am not an engineer. But it makes sense. If you had a control failure or engine failure and had the option of parachuting out of the aircraft you would be able to open the doors and jet out! :bugeye:


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Suicide doors, don’t see that every day.


I am not an engineer. But it makes sense. If you had a control failure or engine failure and had the option of parachuting out of the aircraft you would be able to open the doors and jet out! :bugeye:


Yeah but most folks go ahead and put the doors on in the same fashion as the production models and use a simple retractable pin(s) to release the front hinge point. It doesn't make much sense to build it backwards for a test article then have to change everything later for production. :scratch:
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I like it. I wish them luck. Incredible to have come this far.

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It doesn't make much sense to build it backwards for a test article then have to change everything later for production. :scratch:


It made sense to Cirrus as they did the same thing with VLJ and installed the door opening forward for testing phase. See https://youtu.be/8jM3V9J0XnI?t=134


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I wish them luck too, but they'll have a tough fight competing with the SF50 when their price target is €2MM. The interior to date is nothing close to a SR22 interior, which of course can change but it'll have to come up a long way to equal Cirrus'. The range targets sound close to the Vision, the max certified altitude (limited by certification not performance) is the same. They say it will be faster but that's yet to be seen.

It's interesting, and I agree that competition is always a good thing. Good luck to them.

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Keep in mind that this project is funded from profits from the principals' other business vs capital raise, etc. Looks like the company owners made a big fortune in manufacturing and now they will make a small one getting into the aerospace business. :D

Therefore, given that the owners are bootstrapping this, the speed of implementation, interior sophistication (at least until certification etc) will probably be nowhere near Cirrus. Still, the thing flies now, and they have accomplished more than 99.999% of the armchair quarterbacks out there.


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Reviving an old thread.

Looks pretty good. Flying video from October 2020, prices, schedule and other information.

The weights, speed and size are amazing. They're expecting EASA certification and sales of certificated aircraft by 2024.



Beats the 'raptor' for sure. :D


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It’s ugly for sure but those performance numbers are impressive


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That funky tail will never fly.
I am thinking it was not the sf-50 plans they stole
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Has suicide canopy in front of cuisinard.


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The doors on a pressurized airplane have to be closed securely. If one comes open, noise won't be the only distraction. 11 [Correction] bolts secure each door according to one video.

Detachable wings concern me more than suicide doors. That and all the fuel is in the fuselage. Dangerous in itself, and with little weight distributed within the wing the attachment will need more strength.

Will the FAA certify an airplane with fuel in the fuselage these days? Initial certification will be limited to 25K'. They claim the airplane will be capable of 45k'! The 25'K limitation must be driven by regulation. Is it dictated by the single engine, which the SF50 got around somehow. I remember the discussion about the SF50, but no details.

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I am guessing detachable wings are for containerized shipping.
I was never real happy in thr old lears with most of the fuel behind me.
Nor the A35 for that matter.


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I was never real happy in thr old lears with most of the fuel behind me.

Fuel behind you? Yes. "most"? No. The fuselage tank on the Lears was pretty small and was used for extending range. In most cases you'd compromise the weight to get payload and fly with the "trunk" empty.

While I agree that fuel in the fuselage is less than desirable, I'm afraid that by the time you had a crash that was made significantly worse by the fuel in the fuselage tank, it probably would have killed you anyway. To be honest I never thought much about it.

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Links in the OP are dead. Here is the current website. Significantly higher empty and gross weighs than posted earlier: 1,980 lb EW and 4,070 lb GW foe a useful load of over 2,000 lb. Were the original numbers the prototype and current numbers the production model? I don’t know the answer to that one. Also, a diagram shows all fuel in the wing roots. The outer wing panels detach outboard of the wing tanks. I’m glad someone is working on these.

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