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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 01:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Where does the WX Radar go? It also doesn’t pass the “interior looks like my car” test.
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 11:57 |
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Several more years minimum for a certified version. Even if they increase the altitude limitation for the initial experimental version, it won't go above FL280 (here in the US at least) because experimental aircraft are RVSM-limited. In other countries that might not be the case.
Those performance numbers sound great but we will see how they pan out in production aircraft with real world performance. I don't know if there will be room for a radar in the nose with a parachute, avionics bay, nose gear assembly and landing lights up front but we will see. The newer digital radars don't have a large footprint so hopefully they can swing it.
Lots of hurdles left to overcome but it does look interesting. But before anybody starts hyperventilating and writing the deposit check, just remember the Panthera was flying for a lot of years before they finally got their act together and even now, it's just available as an exhibition experimental. The same was true for the Vision jet. These things always take much more time and cost more money than any marketing video suggests...
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 23:35 |
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Username Protected wrote: it won't go above FL280 (here in the US at least) because experimental aircraft are RVSM-limited That was never technically true, RVSM for an Experimental wasn't forbidden, just so expensive that I never heard of anyone doing it. But that is no longer the case since a rule change in Jan 2019. The FAA maintains a list of planes qualified for RVSM under the new rules at https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/separat ... _SEC9A.pdfOn that list there are 3 Epic LTs, Experimental-Amateur Built, and maybe more E-AB as well.
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 12:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe I missed it, but is it pressurized? According to https://www.flightglobal.com/business-a ... 59.article"Metal Master, based in Podgórzyn, southwest Poland, recently completed the final strength tests of the LAR-1’s detachable wing – described by Ładziński as “one of the aircraft’s key features” – and cabin pressurisation tests are almost finished."
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 13:07 |
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Sometimes evolution beats revolution. . I believevtheylooked at what is and have made it better. I the Polish government backs them, the could have a winner.
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 19 May 2021, 23:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/flaris-lar-01-very-light-jet-1234613855/?fbclid=IwAR3qV8u9q9GZTVdyi3HmyOp_UDTRb1Xk2RU2wcylQ7xty9yPkaesj3nL8dU LOL. Reads like The Onion...
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 20 May 2021, 01:02 |
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"It also requires just a private pilot’s license, says the company, rather than the instrument rating, commercial license, and type rating most jet pilots have to earn."
They apparently have different rules in Poland. As well as some of the cheapest Jet-A (that actually may be true) and maintenance costs to come up with the projected hourly rate.
Hadn't even heard about this jet until my brother excitely sent me the link. I told him to save his money and look at a SETP instead.
However, if they did manage to get the empty weight down to 1,543 pounds, that would be a serious game-changer. I suspect that may be the weight with wings detached, however (different definition of empty weight in Poland?)
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 20 May 2021, 02:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Suicide doors, don’t see that every day. You're assuming that the production model will fly with the nose in front.
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Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ Posted: 20 May 2021, 03:43 |
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Somewhat surprisingly, this jet has shown up on Aircraft Cost Calculator (which I take with a grain of salt anyway). https://www.aircraftcostcalculator.com/ ... aris+LAR01As suspected, more reasonable estimates of the per-hour cost are in the $900 range, twice what is mentioned on the Flaris website and about the same as Aircraft Cost Calculator quotes for the Cirrus SF50. However, maybe in Poland it could cost $450 an hour to operate, with lower costs for fuel, maintenance, hangar, etc.
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