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Nobody thinks this thing resembles the SF50? It feels like someone stole 50% of the plans ...

Well, that explains why the empty weight is 41% of the SF50, they only got 41% of the plans downloaded.

They did put a better tail on it than the SF50. The U tail will be less trim drag and more stable. They also aligned the thrust vector with the direction of flight, another improvement in efficiency. But other than that, large amounts of recreational drugs were involved when coming up with the specs.

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Nobody thinks this thing resembles the SF50? It feels like someone stole 50% of the plans before their connection to the Cirrus server was terminated.. And then they just made up the missing pieces..



I agree it looks like a Cirrus Jet. But then there really is not any other way you could design a single engine jet. It's not like they could put the engine out on only one wing or in the nose. My wife says that all planes look alike. 2 wings, 1fuselage, wheels under the fuselage etc.... All depends on how you look at it.


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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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Cool,
Now the SF50 as some crazy competition.
That should be an hotrod with the same engine but less than half the weight.
Looks like they have better engineers than Cirrus.

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Looks like they have better engineers than Cirrus.

Clearly. :-)

1543 Kg = 3400 lbs.

Hmmm, are they ex NASA?

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Well, the prototype just flew. First test included 26 take off and landings.
http://www.flaris.pl/portfolio-item/fla ... -progress/

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Well, the prototype just flew. First test included 26 take off and landings.
http://www.flaris.pl/portfolio-item/fla ... -progress/

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Looks like Spaceship 1 went out to stud with a VisionJet.


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Well, the prototype just flew. First test included 26 take off and landings.
http://www.flaris.pl/portfolio-item/fla ... -progress/

Tim

Would be great to have a video better than 240P resolution
[youtube]https://youtu.be/uqiq8clKFkU[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/3ZLpv7aBiM4[/youtube]

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There are so many problems with this bird that I don't have time to type them all out. Mike's napkin math already demonstrates that there aren't many experienced aircraft designers involved on this program. The door design another... the windshield design another... seat design another... detachable wings another... electric deice another...

This appears to be another "let's build a prototype and then figure out how to certify it" efforts which is always a horrible idea as you've already boxed yourself into a corner at that point.

Don't get me wrong, I love innovation in aircraft design and I admire the entrepreneurial spirit but companies like this that are doomed from the start just give the industry a black eye and scare investors away from legitimate programs.

I wish them luck but I sense another a/c startup failure in the works here.

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I agree it looks like a Cirrus Jet. But then there really is not any other way you could design a single engine jet.
there is another way - the correct way. That also accommodates a proper empennage.


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From the internet:
✈️ Gregg Williams watched Flaris fly again!
On May 22nd and 23rd at the Babimost airport in Zielona Gora the manufacturer of the engine for the Flaris Lar 1 – Gregg Williams participated in the next stage of flight tests, which took place.

The ECU engine control computer developed by engineers from Williams International interacted with aircraft computers, including the proprietary FFAS®, which is designed to minimize the activities performed by the pilot during all phases of the flight and to monitor the subsystems.
- The Williams FJ33-5A engine with a static thrust of 8,2kN worked perfectly - admits Rafał Ładziński, Head of the Flaris Program.

We would like to thank Gregg Williams and the entire Williams lnternational team for their cooperation in developing the breakthrough structure of the innovative FLARIS LAR 1 business jet.

* If this was a Polish Joke I don´t think the founder of Williams Engines would be involved in the program....

Hope they do make it. Innovation & good execution is good for aviation


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Here is a first flight video in much better resolution and additional details...

[youtube]https://youtu.be/7BKXQWgWavk[/youtube]


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Suicide doors, don’t see that every day.

makes it easier to jump out when the mickey mouse tail falls off.

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Gosh it’s obvious those doors are only temporarily installed opening to the front. Allows the test pilots to escape via parachute. Don’t you see the hinge attach points on the other side of the opening?


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