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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 08:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: I keep getting emails from Beech about how "New and Improved" the company is. Yeah... right. I wonder is anyone over there has seen what's happening at Cirrus? Nope. And the new G5 Cirrus is awesome. The extra 200lbs of useful load really makes a difference. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 08:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have about 100 hours with the Perspective system. It is very nice. However, the Cirrus does not fly anywhere near as nice as a Bonanza. When someone makes an airplane that flies as nice as a Bonanza, then they are in trouble. Of course I may be biased. This kinda stuff just doesn't translate to me. I'm a button pushing pilot. I want my passengers to feel great when they see the plane they're about to fly in. I want to feel like I have the best of the best. I love how the Cirrus doors look. I love sitting in the the Cirrus. When you're walking up to it it just makes you feel like you're about to have a really cool experience. My only complaint is the fixed gear.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 08:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have about 100 hours with the Perspective system. It is very nice. However, the Cirrus does not fly anywhere near as nice as a Bonanza. When someone makes an airplane that flies as nice as a Bonanza, then they are in trouble. Of course I may be biased. Who cares how it flies when 95% of your customer base can't/won't hand-fly their way out of a wet paper bag? Cirrus targets a particular market. That's not a bad thing... They just know who the paying customers are.
_________________ Being right too soon is socially unacceptable. — Heinlein
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 09:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Bingo!
"it flies so nice by hand" is a horrible sales pitch. If you're selling an Extra 300, it works. If you're selling a commuter plane to the casual pilot who has relatively little experience, wants a lot of safety features that allow him/her to treat the plane like a car, and who has a boat-load of money? Hand-flying goodness is on the bottom of the list of priorities. Flying is nothing but a noisy video game to many new pilots. Being a fan of the free market, I fully support Cirrus exploiting that segment of the market.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 09:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: Bingo!
"it flies so nice by hand" is a horrible sales pitch. I disagree. That is what the Carbon Cub, Ciabrata and others are all about. And they seem to be doing well.  Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 09:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think Cirrus is a great starter airplane. I wouldn't want one but for a new pilot would be a good choice.
Have they improved the seat comfort? Yes. They had nowhere to go but up. Problem is the !@$@##$$%#$^%73 FAA 23G crash worthiness requirements. Tim
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 09:10 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have about 100 hours with the Perspective system. It is very nice. However, the Cirrus does not fly anywhere near as nice as a Bonanza. When someone makes an airplane that flies as nice as a Bonanza, then they are in trouble. Of course I may be biased. Who cares how it flies when 95% of your customer base can't/won't hand-fly their way out of a wet paper bag? Cirrus targets a particular market. That's not a bad thing... They just know who the paying customers are.
So what happens when the buttons fail? Pop the chute?
Craig
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus is so far out in front....... Posted: 16 May 2013, 09:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: Who cares how it flies when 95% of your customer base can't/won't hand-fly their way out of a wet paper bag? Cirrus targets a particular market. That's not a bad thing... They just know who the paying customers are.
So what happens when the buttons fail? Pop the chute? Craig
I'm in your camp (note that I don't own a Cirrus). I'm just pointing out why Cirrus is successful and why they are considered to be "in front" by the lion-share of the new-piston-single market.
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