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Jason probably has a position and has been holding out on us again!

http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/jets/pilatus-reveal-pc-24-jet-ebace

Another case of Crandalling.. :bat:


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Well if he does want the new Pilatus Jet, I'm calling dibs on the ragged out PC 12 with the soiled interior.

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It's a twin, too dangerous.

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I did not see this coming. Wow, this is going to be interesting.
M2? Or will it haul lots, like a 12?
And how fast can they bring it to market?

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stupid in my opinion. Extremely crowded and competitive marketplace.

twin engine light and midsize jets...who can really take much of a wedge of that pie - and the pie ain't getting any larger.

Pilatus was brilliant in making the PC-12. It had no competitor and was a perfect fit and very well timed. It still has no competitor, amazingly. You want a single engine turboprop that does what a King Air B200 does, you have one choice. You want a midsize jet you have about 8 choices. Who cares if there's a ninth even if it performs marginally better.

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I dunno, depends on what it does. Buying new, I like the M2, a bit more than dare I say an "M1". Phenom 100 is a competitor, and where will a PC-24 fit in???
Numbers, we need numbers!

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I hope it doesn't turn into another case of "jet fever" bringing down a manufacturer!

It will be interesting to see the specs whenever they're released.


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Well if he does want the new Pilatus Jet, I'm calling dibs on the ragged out PC 12 with the soiled interior.


Well just maybe he is on the short list for a test flight in a different jet (???) when a demonstrator is available?

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Well if he does want the new Pilatus Jet, I'm calling dibs on the ragged out PC 12 with the soiled interior.


Well just maybe he is on the short list for a test flight in a different jet (???) when a demonstrator is available?


Either way, I'm good. I only have one airplane on my wish list which is the PC 12. Its been the same for 6 years as it will be in the next 6 years.
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You already have two planes... :D

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stupid in my opinion. Extremely crowded and competitive marketplace.

twin engine light and midsize jets...who can really take much of a wedge of that pie - and the pie ain't getting any larger.

Pilatus was brilliant in making the PC-12. It had no competitor and was a perfect fit and very well timed. It still has no competitor, amazingly. You want a single engine turboprop that does what a King Air B200 does, you have one choice. You want a midsize jet you have about 8 choices. Who cares if there's a ninth even if it performs marginally better.


Here is a guess. I think the PC24 will haul a huge load and will get in and out of short fields with extreme take off / landing requirements. e.g. Designed for flying in the Alps. The "other" jets you mention in that market need 5-7K runways depending on load. I would guess that it will have massive flaps and be able to get in and out of much shorter fields.

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stupid in my opinion. Extremely crowded and competitive marketplace.

twin engine light and midsize jets...who can really take much of a wedge of that pie - and the pie ain't getting any larger.

Pilatus was brilliant in making the PC-12. It had no competitor and was a perfect fit and very well timed. It still has no competitor, amazingly. You want a single engine turboprop that does what a King Air B200 does, you have one choice. You want a midsize jet you have about 8 choices. Who cares if there's a ninth even if it performs marginally better.


+1

Beech is getting out of the light twin jet business to make a PC-12 competitor... so Pilatus decides to make a light twin jet? I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems like a poor strategic decision.


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You already have two planes... :D

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True but what pilot doesn't lust after his next airplane. For the kind of flying that I do, places I go the PC 12 is perfect. I just can't justify the operating cost given my current state in life.

I made the mistake of owning a TAT TN A36. Once you start running comparison spreadsheets against that plane nothing else comes close efficiency/speed/useful load wise, therefore you've got to lust after another plane to justify it.

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True but what pilot doesn't lust after his next airplane. For the kind of flying that I do, places I go the PC 12 is perfect. I just can't justify the operating cost given my current state in life.

I made the mistake of owning a TAT TN A36. Once you start running comparison spreadsheets against that plane nothing else comes close efficiency/speed/useful load wise, therefore you've got to lust after another plane to justify it.


I have never justified financially anything in aviation yet. I have justified it many other ways, but never financially.

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